[urq] Ronal R8 weights, 8x15" and other brake comments

[Martin Pajak]

In my opinion the best is the 8" Ronal with Sport Q brakes option... I know they are hard to find... but when you do, boy are they ever great... there was some vibration issues in the beggining but I narrowed it down to a bent hub!!... these brakes as any fixed calipers are very sensitive to vibrations.

Check out pics on my site.

Cheers
Martin
www.quattro.ca

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "packley" <packley at verizon.net>
Reply-To: packley at verizon.net
Date:  Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:43:25 -0400

>Martin: I have a complete set of unmounted
>8x15's, I will put one on a scale this weekend
>for you.  As far as brake improvement...there
>are probably some better tricks available than
>the G60 which my urq used.
>
>It seems the urq and the A4 are similar
>caliper dimensions, but no one has reported
>such a conversion.  If this is the case, then
>skip the A4 brakes (we replaced them in our A4 race
>car), and go directly to a Brembo (Porsche) upgrade.
>
>Save unsprung weight and go to a Boxster (non S) caliper
>which uses 25 mm rotors, is 4 piston and 
>gives much better pad life and pedal modulation.
>
>You would be amazed at the improved race car performance,
>even though some swept area is lost (on radius closest
>to axle where it makes little difference) we can brake
>much deeper into corners without inducing ABS thru better
>modulation, and the pads where perfectly "square" so our
>$175 Hawk Blues last for 3-4 races, rather than just 2!
>
>The trick is to find something that will work on your
>15" rims.  The only thing we found and are using
>on our 20V Urq conversion is a set of heavy
>4 piston AP calipers (original SQ) which allow
>15" rims to be used.  I will research and develop
>a better solution next year, with a new caliper
>bracket, and mix-and-match Brembo calipers, and
>then try to figure out if an A4 aluminum hat
>rotor like ECS offers will work which would be
>awesome for weight savings and improved ventilation.
>
>Having said that, from a performance standpoint,
>the 8" Ronals, which some feel are the most
>beautiful (and OEM) rims for the car, are really
>heavy, and restrict large caliper sizing which we
>really need for 400+ HP.  If Performance were
>the sole issue, it would be 996 calipers, and
>a trick aluminum hat largest 32mm rotor we could fit
>on the front with 17x8" rims (we have 35ET 17x8" Bolaros
>on car) with urS4 rear vented rotors and a proportioning Valve.
>
>btw, the special bracket for that hooks onto the master cylinder
>works great where these cars break the firewall from the clutch
>flexing the firewall.  We first repaired the crack by reinforcing
>with metal and tig welding, and painting
>so it will never be a problem or be seen again.
>
>The original MC will work, but the trick, I am told is a 91 200 Avant
>MC which is a direct bolt-in and larger bore.
>
>Phil
>
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>   1. Re: RS6 MTM ClubSport Video (Bill Bennett)
>   2. Unsprung weights (CARDCONSYS at aol.com)
>   3. Re: Targa Newfoundland (Bob D)
>   4. Re: Unsprung weights (n-engelbert at terrans.net)
>   5. urq] Water Wetter Observations (Andrew Finney)
>   6. West Coast UPG (Andrew Finney)
>   7. Removing baked injector inserts from a WX head (Thatcher Hubbard)
>   8. Throttle body to IC hose replacement options (Ingo Rautenberg)
>   9. Re: Removing baked injector inserts from a WX head
>      (Louis-Alain_Richard at computerhorizons.com)
>  10. Re: Throttle body to IC hose replacement options (Brandon Rogers)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:04:11 -0700
>From: "Bill Bennett" <ur.quattro at verizon.net>
>Subject: Re: [urq] RS6 MTM ClubSport Video
>To: "Brandon Rogers" <brogers at terrix.com>,	"Maurits Jonkergouw"
>	<urq at moregraphics.nl>, <urq at audifans.com>
>Message-ID: <005301c49ae9$d2802f10$0300a8c0 at urquattro>
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>hitting another driver, with her head up her butt chatting on her phone,
>panic stopping for a train that was not there at a open gated crossing
>is a
>rather sobering event, thank the spirits it was not on my insurance, or
>my
>Bitch involved,, I was at work.My URQ cannot be replaced, nor can yours,
>or
>anyone else's on the list to our satisfaction, the paint will always be
>worse(unlike mine), the dash cracked(unlike mine) cracked leather
>seats(yadda). The above has made me more, well more UR careful, like
>headlights on during the daytime, watching American and Japanese cars
>and
>shit utility vehicles from a greater distance, and of course, I always
>take
>my gift from Jim Miller with me. it has it own mount from Louisville KY,
>yes
>they sell the mounts, $7.95 my Son and I call it Slugger. yes of course,
>you
>can have three guesses about what color Jim Miller got me, no, not gobi
>beige
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brandon Rogers" <brogers at terrix.com>
>To: "Bill Bennett" <ur.quattro at verizon.net>; "Maurits Jonkergouw"
><urq at moregraphics.nl>; <urq at audifans.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [urq] RS6 MTM ClubSport Video
>
>
>> OK where did you hide the real Bill Bennett????
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill Bennett" <ur.quattro at verizon.net>
>> To: "Maurits Jonkergouw" <urq at moregraphics.nl>; <urq at audifans.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [urq] RS6 MTM ClubSport Video
>>
>>
>> Good point Maurits, there is the other driver, and distractions, I
>rear
>> ended a honda in June my first collision event in 32 years, she
>slammed on
>> her brakes at a gated light rail crossing when no train was coming and
>the
>> gates were up and she still managed to jump out of her car with her
>cell
>> phone pasted to her ear. I agree, I apologise for not seeing the full
>> picture from your point of view( and now mine), it is not just those
>of us
>> who know how drive fast out there, but when you are driving fast, how
>do
>you
>> correct for the non drivers, you can't when you are pushing 120 mph in
>a
>> corner posted @50 mph. Bill
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Maurits Jonkergouw" <urq at moregraphics.nl>
>> To: <urq at audifans.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [urq] RS6 MTM ClubSport Video
>>
>>
>> This is exactly what happened to me a few years back doing 170 (and
>> crashed), and why I said these men are stupid.... You cannot simply
>expect
>> other drivers to KNOW you are coming towards them high speed and they
>think
>> they have enough time to pass. More specific, some people who do
>notice,
>> pull to the left just to teach you a lesson. If your brakes are OK you
>can
>> stop in time, but still it's playing with fire IMHO...
>>
>> >John Koenig wrote:
>> >
>> >Reminds me of the discussion about the safety of driving really fast
>on
>the
>> >Autobahn ... "until the inevitable Fiat pulls out to pass the
>inevitable
>> >Fiat."
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> .................................................................
>> Regards,
>> Maurits
>> .................................................................
>> '86 quattro GV (WR)
>> '85 coupé KV
>> '82 coupé DD
>> .................................................................
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>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:44:38 EDT
>From: CARDCONSYS at aol.com
>Subject: [urq] Unsprung weights
>To: urq at audifans.com
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>        Louis-Alain has measured the standard OEM 6Jx15 wheel at 18
>pounds 
>and my 7Jx15H2 pearl white Fuchs(447-601-025F) weighs in at 14lbs. These
>are 
>both weights without tyres. Does anyone have an 8Jx15 OEM wheel they can
>weigh 
>for comparison?
>       When I have all the brake components weighed, original and G-60,
>the 
>results will be posted for those interested.
>       Martin Dapot
>       83 UrQ
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:35:30 -0400
>From: Bob D <bob at audisport.com>
>Subject: Re: [urq] Targa Newfoundland
>To: fdekat <fdekat at sentex.net>, Urq list <urq at audifans.com>
>Message-ID: <41482902.5030002 at audisport.com>
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>Im actually scheduled to enter that in a road race prepared A2 in '06!
>
>
>fdekat wrote:
>
>>Looks like the 'kids' are having fun, running at Targa Newfoundland.
>Plenty
>>of interesting cars running. 
>>
>>Even a few Audis. One urq running in the 'touring' category, and an 'S'
>car
>>somewhere too..
>>
>>Some pictures..  http://www.justus.ca/targa2004.html
>>(Specifically: http://www.justus.ca/images/targa2004/1010.jpg )
>>
>>Targa website:
>>http://www.targanewfoundland.com/
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>-Frank de Kat-
>>
>>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:32:54 -0500 (CDT)
>From: <n-engelbert at terrans.net>
>Subject: Re: [urq] Unsprung weights
>To: <CARDCONSYS at aol.com>
>Cc: urq at audifans.com
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>I've got mine boxed up with no tires mounted, I need to take care of
>that.
>I'll try to weigh one after work today, or maybe tomorrow if noone else
>gets to it before me.
>
>Nathan Engelbert
>83 UrQ DA900453
>89 90q
>91 200q20v donor
>
>>        Louis-Alain has measured the standard OEM 6Jx15 wheel at 18
>>        pounds
>> and my 7Jx15H2 pearl white Fuchs(447-601-025F) weighs in at 14lbs.
>> These are  both weights without tyres. Does anyone have an 8Jx15 OEM
>> wheel they can weigh  for comparison?
>>       When I have all the brake components weighed, original and G-60,
>>       the
>> results will be posted for those interested.
>>       Martin Dapot
>>       83 UrQ
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>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:07:04 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Andrew Finney <afinney1 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [urq] urq] Water Wetter Observations
>To: brogers at terrix.com
>Cc: urq at audifans.com
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>Brandon, I didn't want to say anything at the UPG to
>spoil your fun, but I'm pretty sure that over the
>years there are tons of accounts of reasons not to use
>water-wetter. Bad testimonials. I have one myself, as
>I tried it a few years ago and it took me 2 years to
>get the remaining goo out of the system. I remember
>people said it tends to ball up and clog little
>cooling passages. I could be wrong. I'd do what I did,
>construct some garden-hose fitting adaptors to the
>upper and lower coolant hoses (use PVC and ABS plastic
>pipe to adapt), remove the thermostat, and backflsuh
>and forward flush in succession, using hot water.
>
>Andrew Finney
>1983 and 1984 UrQs.
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:15:09 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Andrew Finney <afinney1 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [urq] West Coast UPG
>To: tlum at flash.net
>Cc: urq at audifans.com
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>I second Tony's kudos to Paul and Pauline. Thanks so
>much for organizing the UPG meeting. Worth every
>mind-numbing mile through northern Nevada! 
>
>Thanks to Tony for the convoy partner. Made the drive
>a little less stressful in case of break-down.
>
>Andrew Finney
>1983 and 1984 UrQs.
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>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:17:54 -0600
>From: "Thatcher Hubbard" <thatcher.hubbard at computer-er.com>
>Subject: [urq] Removing baked injector inserts from a WX head
>To: <urq at audifans.com>
>Message-ID: <20040915201828.A21E51B0669 at macserver.computer-er.com>
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>Hey guys,
> 
>  Finally got my head (WX) back from the shop.  I noticed after I had
>picked
>it up though that they had not removed the old injector inserts.  I
>tried
>with a pair of pliers to pull them out but they just cracked off (at
>least
>the short lip on the top did).  Should I fashion some sort of hook
>device to
>pull these out or try to cut them out with a good utility knife?  Just
>looking for any BTDT from the list.
> 
> 
>Thatcher Hubbard
>
>
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>
>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:34:46 -0400
>From: "Ingo Rautenberg" <IRautenberg at comcast.net>
>Subject: [urq] Throttle body to IC hose replacement options
>To: "UrqList" <urq at audifans.com>
>Message-ID: <003601c49b63$70c7b3e0$b5b62944 at home>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
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>I know, it's been discussed before, but I couldn't find anything recent.
>This is for my '84 Urq running a bit extra boost with the WX motor.  Is
>the general consensus to replace with OEM or is there a Silicone
>alternative that fits/works well.  2 large bills ain't cheap, ya know...
>
>-Ingo
>'91 200q20v...Slightly modified
>'84 Urquattro
>'91 v8q 5-speed w/ lots of mods :-)
>http://hometown.aol.com/quattringo/index.html
>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:34:21 -0400
>From: Louis-Alain_Richard at computerhorizons.com
>Subject: Re: [urq] Removing baked injector inserts from a WX head
>To: "Thatcher Hubbard" <thatcher.hubbard at computer-er.com>
>Cc: urq at audifans.com, urq-bounces at audifans.com
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>If I am right, these inserts are screwed into the head assembly.
>You will need a 12mm (not sure about the size...) allen key to remove 
>them.
>
>Louis-Alain
>
>
>
>
>
>"Thatcher Hubbard" <thatcher.hubbard at computer-er.com> 
>Sent by: urq-bounces at audifans.com
>2004-09-15 16:17
>
>To
><urq at audifans.com>
>cc
>
>Subject
>[urq] Removing baked injector inserts from a WX head
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Hey guys,
> 
>  Finally got my head (WX) back from the shop.  I noticed after I had 
>picked
>it up though that they had not removed the old injector inserts.  I
>tried
>with a pair of pliers to pull them out but they just cracked off (at
>least
>the short lip on the top did).  Should I fashion some sort of hook
>device 
>to
>pull these out or try to cut them out with a good utility knife?  Just
>looking for any BTDT from the list.
> 
> 
>Thatcher Hubbard
>
>
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>
>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:41:38 -0600
>From: "Brandon Rogers" <brogers at terrix.com>
>Subject: Re: [urq] Throttle body to IC hose replacement options
>To: "Urq List" <urq at audifans.com>, "Ingo Rautenberg"
>	<i.rautenberg at waratap.com>
>Message-ID: <001101c49b64$670481c0$0b01a8c0 at terrixden>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Call the dealer, then bend over.
>
>Brandon
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Ingo Rautenberg" <IRautenberg at comcast.net>
>To: "UrqList" <urq at audifans.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:34 PM
>Subject: [urq] Throttle body to IC hose replacement options
>
>
>I know, it's been discussed before, but I couldn't find anything recent.
>This is for my '84 Urq running a bit extra boost with the WX motor.  Is
>the
>general consensus to replace with OEM or is there a Silicone alternative
>that fits/works well.  2 large bills ain't cheap, ya know...
>
>-Ingo
>'91 200q20v...Slightly modified
>'84 Urquattro
>'91 v8q 5-speed w/ lots of mods :-)
>http://hometown.aol.com/quattringo/index.html
>
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