[urq] Using the Family Album - HELP (Long)

Tue Apr 26 18:30:03 EDT 2005

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Brandon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben Howell" <bhowell at rmi.net>
To: "Andrew Finney" <afinn1 at gmail.com>; <urq at audifans.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [urq] Using the Family Album - HELP (Long)


> Ok Andrew (and group), this is the best I can do:
>
> I will try to use your example number in as many possible places here. The 
> part number breaks down into the three sub groups. If you seperate 443, 
> 498 and 099 you can usually come close to what the part is and where it 
> goes.
>
> The first three numbers have to do with the chassis the part was 
> ORIGINALLY DESIGNED for. Using "443" for example, we need to break it down 
> even more. "44" means type 44 chassis and "3" usually means non turbo. So, 
> you will see part number that starts with "85", "81", "89", etc etc etc. 
> The last number of the first three digits denotes what actual car is was 
> designed for, again the "3" is non-turbo. "7" usually means turbo, like 
> 447 (5ktq), 857 (UrQ), and so on and so forth. A "5" is always a Coupe or 
> wagon application, like "855" would be Coupe GT, "895" would be Coupe 
> Quattro and "445" is 5k/200 Wagon. Where as 893 would be? Yep, you guessed 
> it, type 89 chassis, non-turbo. There are other tricks too, like 856 is 
> still a Coupe GT, but it's right hand drive, but you'll learn that as you 
> go. Remember this all applies to what the part was DESIGNED for, you will 
> find LOTS of "857" parts on a 4kq, even though "857" is UrQ. Another 
> exception is the V8. As the V8 is basically a type 44, but offically they 
> called it the D11, so V8 parts end up being "441", go figure...and yet 
> another exception, the Sport Quattro. Sports are still considered type 
> 85's, but genuine Sport parts ALWAYS end in "9", so a Sport Quattro part 
> will always start with "859".
>
> Now for the tricky parts.....that whole numbering system didn't carry over 
> into the 1990's. For example, a type C4 chassis part number won't start 
> with "C4", but it will start with "4A" (usually "4A0"). You will usually 
> just have to learn it as you go. After doing it so long, I just "know" 
> that 8A0 is B4 90's and 8G0 is B4 Cabriolet's. You will usually just see 
> the number/letter combo come up frequently when looking at a particular 
> model. Next, and this is the part that I have yet to figure out and I am 
> not sure there is a way to "decode" it and that it motor parts. If a part 
> was originally designed for a MOTOR instead of a CHASSIS, it will have a 
> completely different numbering system. Example, I know that just about any 
> 5cyl. turbo "motor" part will start with 034, but sometimes they sneak an 
> "035" in there which is USUALLY an early 5cyl part. Example: and RS2 
> Turbocharger starts with "034", but a Sport Q K27 start with "035", don't 
> know why, but it does. Again, it's something you will get the "feel" of 
> and over time you will know pretty well.
>
> Next, is the middle set of numbers (in your example, it's 498). This is 
> how you actually find the part in ETKA. In ETKA these would be your "main" 
> and "sub-groupe" numbers. The first number always refers to the "Main" 
> groupe in ETKA. This is the number in front of the group you see after you 
> have chosen the model and year car you want to look at. "1" is ALWAYS 
> engine, "2" is ALWAYS exhaust (but not turbochargers), A/C and fuel, "3" 
> is ALWAYS transmission, etc etc etc....these are constants and and never 
> change no matter what model or year you are looking at. So, in your 
> example, "4" is always front end suspension parts. The only one that is 
> not listed in ETKA is group "0" and that is always accessories and ETKA 
> usually says "see accessory catalog" which is typically a paper catalog 
> that is sent to dealers. Anyway, this is probably the easiest part to 
> figure out because it is right there in front of you on ETKA. The "Sub 
> Groupe" (the second two numbers) is also constant in all models and years. 
> They never change no matter what. I'll get to your example in a minute, 
> but let's use "103". "1" is always engine and "03" is always cylinder 
> head. It could be a complete head or it could be a valve cover or it could 
> be a valve guide, but if it's cyl. head related, it's in "03". Again, ETKA 
> tells you these numbers pretty quickly as well. Once you have chosen the 
> model, the year and then the Main Groupe, the Sub Groupe will be to the 
> left side of the page next to a brief description of that particular Sub 
> Groupe. Now for your example, if you see a "98" in ANY Sub Groupe, is 
> ALWAYS refers to a repair kit of some kind. So, "498" is going to be a 
> "repair kit" of some kind for the front suspension and VAG defines "kit" 
> as any single part number that contains more than one individual part. 
> "498" can be a CV boot kit or it could be a wheel bearing kit and it's 
> hard to say what it actually is (but I'll get to it later). Now if you 
> look up at the tool bar button at the top of ETKA you will see a button 
> that has, what looks like, a crude drawing of a valve cover gasket. If you 
> click that, it will give you a list of ALL repair kits for the main groupe 
> you are in and what is actually in the kit itself AND the part numbers for 
> each individual part in that kit. Say you are looking for a front wheel 
> bearing and you want to buy just the bearing and not the whole kit. You 
> would need to go to main groupe 4 and then go to ANY sub group and click 
> on that button with the V/C gasket drawing. Then you would page down until 
> you found the front wheel bearing kit and it would tell you the part 
> number for the bearing itself. It's easier than it sounds. Again, this 
> applies to any main groupe, like "198" would be an engine kit of some sort 
> (i.e. head gasket set), "698" would be a kit of some sort for the wheels 
> or brake (i.e. a set of seals for a brake caliper).
>
> Ok, the last three digits actually tell you what the part is and this can 
> be the hardest part because it just takes time to know what the number 
> denotes. In your example, "099" when used with "498" means it's a CV boot 
> kit and on top of that it's an outer boot. How do I know? I have just done 
> it enough to know that. What I am trying to say is that if you see a part 
> number that has "498" as your main and sub groupes and "099" as your 
> actual part number, it MUST be and outer CV boot kit that was originally 
> designed for a front axle. Now the "443" and the "E" suffix may change, 
> but it does NOT change the fact that it's an outer CV boot kit. Another 
> easy example would be brake rotors. Wheels and brakes are always main 
> groupe "6" front brakes are always sub groupe "15" and front rotors always 
> have a number "301". So, if you see a part number like XXX-615-301-X, you 
> may not know exactly what it fits, but you know that it MUST be a front 
> brake rotor, no matter what. However change that to XXX-615-601-X and it 
> MUST be a rear rotor because "601" used with "615" is ALWAYS a rear rotor.
>
> Now for the "suffix" or it can sometimes be refered to as the "modifier". 
> In your example, I am talking about the letter "E". This is proabably the 
> worst part of the part number because it can either be used to denote a 
> supercession or it can be used to change the part all together. So, in 
> your example it can either mean that that CV boot kit has had 5 revisions 
> of some sort ("E" being the 5th letter) or they had 5 different parts to 
> fit the same application. So, we have already determind that this a CV 
> boot kit for the front of a non turbo 5k, but let's say that the car had 
> options. Maybe the boot kits for cars that had ABS, cars that were quattro 
> or FWD or cars that had power steering all had DIFFERENT boot kits for 
> some reason. All the boot kits would get a different suffix, but the part 
> number would not change because they are all still front outer CV boot 
> kits for non turbo 5k's. I am NOT saying that is how it always works, but 
> I AM saying that don't assume that a part number with a "B" suffix is the 
> latest and greatest version of the same part number that has an "A" 
> suffix. It just doesn't work that way. It can, but don't assume that it 
> does. If you do want to see if a part has a supercession and what that 
> part number might be, you need to find the part in ETKA, click on it and 
> hit the right arrow (on the keyboard). In all cases in ETKA that will give 
> you "More Info" on that particular part.
>
> Well, that's the (not so) short version of Audi's numbering system. 
> Personally, I think it's very easy, but I have worked with it for long 
> enough to just "know" it, so maybe I am biased. Somewhere I do have a 
> paper ETKA manual. It has very little to do with Audi's numbering system 
> and more to do with, how to move through ETKA. If you want I can dig it up 
> and make copies. As for your actual question about can you plug a number 
> into ATP and tell you what it fits and where it goes......yes, but like 
> you said, only if you are that model. That was a HUGE complaint at 
> dealerships and right around 2000 or 2001, ETKA changed their programing 
> on ATP, so it would tell you where it went even if you weren't in that 
> model. I, personally, do not have a version that new, but I know it 
> exsists. If you want this post in the knowledge Base I am fine with that 
> too, if you found it helpful I guess. Dunno, maybe I just confused you 
> more. :-)
>
> HTH!
>
> Ben Howell
> Evergreen, CO
> 85' UrQ
> 83' UrQ
> Many other Q's
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Finney" <afinn1 at gmail.com>
> To: <urq at audifans.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:52 AM
> Subject: [urq] Using the Family Album - HELP
>
>
> Can someone help me out. What is the most effective way to look up
> specific part applications, given a part number. If I "enter part
> number" in the EPC, I can find the "title" of the part, but I can't
> figure out what model it belongs to. If I go to a specific model, I
> can use ATP to find the part IF IT BELONGS ON THAT CAR. I'm not too
> skilled at deciphering part numbers anyway. I know there is some model
> code built into the PN. Can someone help me? Maybe comprise the post
> to go into the knowledge base. I need the most efficient way to look
> up applications. As an example, 443 498 099E is a discontinued CV
> joint, outer, I think. BUT... what the heck for.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Andrew Finney
> 1983 UrQ.
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