[urq] Using the Family Album - HELP (Long)

[Ed Kellock]

Am just catching up on an email backlog....

Great write-up Ben, Thanks!  I'm going to make a quick reference chart
from this info.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben Howell" <bhowell at rmi.net>
To: "Andrew Finney" <afinn1 at gmail.com>; <urq at audifans.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [urq] Using the Family Album - HELP (Long)


> Ok Andrew (and group), this is the best I can do:
>
> I will try to use your example number in as many possible places
here. The
> part number breaks down into the three sub groups. If you seperate
443, 498
> and 099 you can usually come close to what the part is and where it
goes.
>
> The first three numbers have to do with the chassis the part was
ORIGINALLY
> DESIGNED for. Using "443" for example, we need to break it down even
more.
> "44" means type 44 chassis and "3" usually means non turbo. So, you
will see
> part number that starts with "85", "81", "89", etc etc etc. The last
number
> of the first three digits denotes what actual car is was designed
for, again
> the "3" is non-turbo. "7" usually means turbo, like 447 (5ktq), 857
(UrQ),
> and so on and so forth. A "5" is always a Coupe or wagon
application, like
> "855" would be Coupe GT, "895" would be Coupe Quattro and "445" is
5k/200
> Wagon. Where as 893 would be? Yep, you guessed it, type 89 chassis,
> non-turbo. There are other tricks too, like 856 is still a Coupe GT,
but
> it's right hand drive, but you'll learn that as you go. Remember
this all
> applies to what the part was DESIGNED for, you will find LOTS of
"857" parts
> on a 4kq, even though "857" is UrQ. Another exception is the V8. As
the V8
> is basically a type 44, but offically they called it the D11, so V8
parts
> end up being "441", go figure...and yet another exception, the Sport
> Quattro. Sports are still considered type 85's, but genuine Sport
parts
> ALWAYS end in "9", so a Sport Quattro part will always start with
"859".
>
> Now for the tricky parts.....that whole numbering system didn't
carry over
> into the 1990's. For example, a type C4 chassis part number won't
start with
> "C4", but it will start with "4A" (usually "4A0"). You will usually
just
> have to learn it as you go. After doing it so long, I just "know"
that 8A0
> is B4 90's and 8G0 is B4 Cabriolet's. You will usually just see the
> number/letter combo come up frequently when looking at a particular
model.
> Next, and this is the part that I have yet to figure out and I am
not sure
> there is a way to "decode" it and that it motor parts. If a part was
> originally designed for a MOTOR instead of a CHASSIS, it will have a
> completely different numbering system. Example, I know that just
about any
> 5cyl. turbo "motor" part will start with 034, but sometimes they
sneak an
> "035" in there which is USUALLY an early 5cyl part. Example: and RS2
> Turbocharger starts with "034", but a Sport Q K27 start with "035",
don't
> know why, but it does. Again, it's something you will get the "feel"
of and
> over time you will know pretty well.
>
> Next, is the middle set of numbers (in your example, it's 498). This
is how
> you actually find the part in ETKA. In ETKA these would be your
"main" and
> "sub-groupe" numbers. The first number always refers to the "Main"
groupe in
> ETKA. This is the number in front of the group you see after you
have chosen
> the model and year car you want to look at. "1" is ALWAYS engine,
"2" is
> ALWAYS exhaust (but not turbochargers), A/C and fuel, "3" is ALWAYS
> transmission, etc etc etc....these are constants and and never
change no
> matter what model or year you are looking at. So, in your example,
"4" is
> always front end suspension parts. The only one that is not listed
in ETKA
> is group "0" and that is always accessories and ETKA usually says
"see
> accessory catalog" which is typically a paper catalog that is sent
to
> dealers. Anyway, this is probably the easiest part to figure out
because it
> is right there in front of you on ETKA. The "Sub Groupe" (the second
two
> numbers) is also constant in all models and years. They never change
no
> matter what. I'll get to your example in a minute, but let's use
"103". "1"
> is always engine and "03" is always cylinder head. It could be a
complete
> head or it could be a valve cover or it could be a valve guide, but
if it's
> cyl. head related, it's in "03". Again, ETKA tells you these numbers
pretty
> quickly as well. Once you have chosen the model, the year and then
the Main
> Groupe, the Sub Groupe will be to the left side of the page next to
a brief
> description of that particular Sub Groupe. Now for your example, if
you see
> a "98" in ANY Sub Groupe, is ALWAYS refers to a repair kit of some
kind. So,
> "498" is going to be a "repair kit" of some kind for the front
suspension
> and VAG defines "kit" as any single part number that contains more
than one
> individual part. "498" can be a CV boot kit or it could be a wheel
bearing
> kit and it's hard to say what it actually is (but I'll get to it
later). Now
> if you look up at the tool bar button at the top of ETKA you will
see a
> button that has, what looks like, a crude drawing of a valve cover
gasket.
> If you click that, it will give you a list of ALL repair kits for
the main
> groupe you are in and what is actually in the kit itself AND the
part
> numbers for each individual part in that kit. Say you are looking
for a
> front wheel bearing and you want to buy just the bearing and not the
whole
> kit. You would need to go to main groupe 4 and then go to ANY sub
group and
> click on that button with the V/C gasket drawing. Then you would
page down
> until you found the front wheel bearing kit and it would tell you
the part
> number for the bearing itself. It's easier than it sounds. Again,
this
> applies to any main groupe, like "198" would be an engine kit of
some sort
> (i.e. head gasket set), "698" would be a kit of some sort for the
wheels or
> brake (i.e. a set of seals for a brake caliper).
>
> Ok, the last three digits actually tell you what the part is and
this can be
> the hardest part because it just takes time to know what the number
denotes.
> In your example, "099" when used with "498" means it's a CV boot kit
and on
> top of that it's an outer boot. How do I know? I have just done it
enough to
> know that. What I am trying to say is that if you see a part number
that has
> "498" as your main and sub groupes and "099" as your actual part
number, it
> MUST be and outer CV boot kit that was originally designed for a
front axle.
> Now the "443" and the "E" suffix may change, but it does NOT change
the fact
> that it's an outer CV boot kit. Another easy example would be brake
rotors.
> Wheels and brakes are always main groupe "6" front brakes are always
sub
> groupe "15" and front rotors always have a number "301". So, if you
see a
> part number like XXX-615-301-X, you may not know exactly what it
fits, but
> you know that it MUST be a front brake rotor, no matter what.
However change
> that to XXX-615-601-X and it MUST be a rear rotor because "601" used
with
> "615" is ALWAYS a rear rotor.
>
> Now for the "suffix" or it can sometimes be refered to as the
"modifier". In
> your example, I am talking about the letter "E". This is proabably
the worst
> part of the part number because it can either be used to denote a
> supercession or it can be used to change the part all together. So,
in your
> example it can either mean that that CV boot kit has had 5 revisions
of some
> sort ("E" being the 5th letter) or they had 5 different parts to fit
the
> same application. So, we have already determind that this a CV boot
kit for
> the front of a non turbo 5k, but let's say that the car had options.
Maybe
> the boot kits for cars that had ABS, cars that were quattro or FWD
or cars
> that had power steering all had DIFFERENT boot kits for some reason.
All the
> boot kits would get a different suffix, but the part number would
not change
> because they are all still front outer CV boot kits for non turbo
5k's. I am
> NOT saying that is how it always works, but I AM saying that don't
assume
> that a part number with a "B" suffix is the latest and greatest
version of
> the same part number that has an "A" suffix. It just doesn't work
that way.
> It can, but don't assume that it does. If you do want to see if a
part has a
> supercession and what that part number might be, you need to find
the part
> in ETKA, click on it and hit the right arrow (on the keyboard). In
all cases
> in ETKA that will give you "More Info" on that particular part.
>
> Well, that's the (not so) short version of Audi's numbering system.
> Personally, I think it's very easy, but I have worked with it for
long
> enough to just "know" it, so maybe I am biased. Somewhere I do have
a paper
> ETKA manual. It has very little to do with Audi's numbering system
and more
> to do with, how to move through ETKA. If you want I can dig it up
and make
> copies. As for your actual question about can you plug a number into
ATP and
> tell you what it fits and where it goes......yes, but like you said,
only if
> you are that model. That was a HUGE complaint at dealerships and
right
> around 2000 or 2001, ETKA changed their programing on ATP, so it
would tell
> you where it went even if you weren't in that model. I, personally,
do not
> have a version that new, but I know it exsists. If you want this
post in the
> knowledge Base I am fine with that too, if you found it helpful I
guess.
> Dunno, maybe I just confused you more. :-)
>
> HTH!
>
> Ben Howell
> Evergreen, CO
> 85' UrQ
> 83' UrQ
> Many other Q's
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Finney" <afinn1 at gmail.com>
> To: <urq at audifans.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:52 AM
> Subject: [urq] Using the Family Album - HELP
>
>
> Can someone help me out. What is the most effective way to look up
> specific part applications, given a part number. If I "enter part
> number" in the EPC, I can find the "title" of the part, but I can't
> figure out what model it belongs to. If I go to a specific model, I
> can use ATP to find the part IF IT BELONGS ON THAT CAR. I'm not too
> skilled at deciphering part numbers anyway. I know there is some
model
> code built into the PN. Can someone help me? Maybe comprise the post
> to go into the knowledge base. I need the most efficient way to look
> up applications. As an example, 443 498 099E is a discontinued CV
> joint, outer, I think. BUT... what the heck for.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Andrew Finney
> 1983 UrQ.
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