[urq] UPG 2008

Tue Oct 23 12:30:08 PDT 2007

Hmm.

Martin,

I think you misunderstand what Scott was pointing out.  Not Indy as  
in the race at Indy, but as a venue and one just for us Urq freaks.   
Totally just for us, including road rallies, autocross, fun get  
together.  No Outside race.

Ingo

On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:22 PM, Martin Pajak wrote:

> Scott,
>
> I have to disagree.. another event like Indy would just take away  
> from the
> purpose of this gathering.
> This is why I loved the events at Felixes.  A nice quiet venue with  
> no one
> else around but Ur-quattro freaks.
> One weekend is not a long time, especially if you have to drive all  
> the
> way there.. to piggyback another event is just not worth it.  I  
> would not
> be interested in anything else other than talking with the guys and
> getting to know them as "friends" rather than pay attention to  
> something
> else.
>
> Don't get me wrong, Steamboat etc etc, those events have their time  
> and
> place.  Us CDN guys do the Mosport weekend for the AMLS jsut to  
> have an
> "excuse".  A UPG even should remain an Ur-q only event with no other
> distructions.
>
> Just my $0.02 CDN with is now on par with $0.02 US  :)
>
> Regards
> -- 
> Martin Pajak
>
> http://www.quattro.ca
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> QSHIPQ at aol.com
>>
>> Ed:
>> To a very seasoned choir you vainly attempt to preach,  my old  
>> friend!  I
>> put
>> on a Steamboat Ice Event in your state every  year for 6 years  
>> now, been
>> going for 15, straight thru drive, and in the worst  quattro weather
>> possible.
>> That doesn't include the  events I saw you at, that you mention of 10
>> years
>> ago!  I  can't think of a better reason for a migration from the west
>> coast than
>> 25 years  of the urq being stateside.
>>
>> In asking folks for that commitment, 'what else can we do' is the   
>> *value*
>> (excuse) of gathering these cars in one place.  I don't have to ask
>> Justin
>> Riley if he's going to Steamboat again this year from Orlando  
>> (2000 miles
>> with
>> the family 1 way), I just need to give him the dates.  I don't  
>> have to
>> ask him
>> if he'd make it to an ur-qfest in 2008, only when and where.  I  
>> say  you
>> lose
>> half or more of your participants anywhere USA if you give an  ur- 
>> qfest
>> the
>> impression that the only point is to gather these cars in one  place.
>>
>> Sell the value of the what and how, the value of the where will   
>> increase.
>>  I
>> advocate Indy because what else is available to car enthusiast   
>> groups
>> can't
>> have a better host city.  And, the value in the other  activities  
>> is that
>> we
>> don't have to originate logistics, venues and activities,  only
>> edit/copy/edit/paste other successful events there.
>>
>> I am happy to volunteer being Eventmaster at an Indy venue, after  
>> Gruppe-q
>> Steamboat 2008.  Jim, I didn't think twice about going to Monterey  
>> in 99,
>> because it was 100 years of quattro.  25 years of urq, I'd do it
>> tomorrow.   I
>> say use a proven friendly car group venue  where help is a host  
>> city is
>> constable tolerant, and the city amenities  seasoned and  
>> enthusiastic to
>> the cause.
>> IMO, that limits your  choices more than preconceived participant  
>> value.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Scott Justusson
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/23/2007 12:05:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> ekellock at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> I don't  see Indianapolis as even remotely "centrally located".     
>> Hell,
>> it's damn-near a 2-day drive from Denver.  That pretty much  excludes
>> the west coasters.
>>
>> I really feel like far too much emphasis  is being placed on "what  
>> else
>> we can do there".  The point is to  gather these cars in one place.
>>
>> I'm pretty well located for just about  any venue that is truly
>> centrally located so I am only advocating locations  that seem to  
>> have
>> the best possiblity of drawing the most cars from all of  North
>> America.  It will be more of a hike for some, no matter where we  go.
>>
>> Ten years ago when we did the 2 Audifests, I lived in SC.  It  was 2
>> long days driving for me each way.  We managed to have  various
>> meet-ups along the way to the even which made the overall  experience
>> that much better.   For the 1st one in '97 I had just  started a new
>> job and could not take vacation.  Back then they still  ran the  
>> race on
>> July 4th and it fell midweek so I had a long weekend.   I was only in
>> Colorado for about 36 hours before I had to bail back to  SC.  So I
>> know what is on store for someone who's far away.
>>
>> It  is what it is.  If you value the primary objective, it needs  
>> to  be
>> central, whether that's convenient or not.  Moab, Indy,  Yellowstone
>> just don't cut it.  Very cool places to go, but they'll  likely cut
>> coastal attendance by half or more.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents  worth.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
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