[urq] Toyota should be talking to Audi....NAC
Ingo Rautenberg
ingo.rautenberg at gmail.com
Fri Feb 26 10:31:55 PST 2010
But c'mon, she SAID she shifted to neutral and even reverse to no avail.
And them everything suddenly was ok again after the phone call. Funny how
the subsequent owners report no problems whatsoever. And they let her cry
in front of the camera. Drama made for TV. If it's on TV, it must be true,
right??? Arghhh.
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Mike Sylvester <mike at urq20v.com> wrote:
> I agree that the panic stop isn't the best way out of the situation.
> My point was that the brakes could stop the car.
> That was my reason behind the moron comment.
> If they had time to make the phone call, they could have shifted into
> neutral.
>
> Mike
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> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [urq] Toyota should be talking to Audi....NAC
> > From: Steve Eiche <seiche at shadetreesoftware.com>
> > Date: Fri, February 26, 2010 12:16 pm
> > To: urq at audifans.com
> >
> >
> > Even if a car can be stopped if the brakes are fully applied, of which
> > there is no doubt, there are a few problems with a full panic stop.
> > First, you need to fully recognize the problem when it happens. Imagine
> > that you are going down the highway, you hit the brakes to disengage the
> > cruise, and it doesn't, in fact it fights you. This brings us to the
> > second issue, in that once you recognize what the hell has happened and
> > need to be in a position where you can safely execute a full ABS panic
> > stop. In the example I've given, say you are in light traffic on the
> > highway, with people right behind you. A full panic stop will likely
> > cause an accident, even if you do recognize that is how you could
> > stop. (This scenario happened to my BIL - not in a Toyota and due to a
> > cruise control problem. He did smoke the brakes (they faded fast)
> > before he got it stopped.) Now if traffic is at a dead stop in front of
> > you, your instinct probably would be to hit the brakes with everything
> > you have, but if it is clear sailing, I really doubt you would. Would
> > you pull to the shoulder, then panic stop? Hmmm, doubt that too.
> >
> > I think the correct method to teach non "car people" is to put the car
> > in neutral, let it bounce off the rev limiter (assuming the fault
> > continues when the car is in neutral), steer to a safe place and come to
> > a controlled stop. That is what I showed my wife to do. Considering
> > the old cars that I have driven with various sticking throttle plates or
> > linkage problems, I've had a few stuck WOT throttle issues. My
> > resolution was never a full panic stop. Usually cycling the ignition,
> > stomping on the throttle a few times or just pushing in the clutch and
> > letting it rev until I pulled over and turned it off (corroded throttle
> > body linkage on a Scirocco).
> >
> > Here is my suggestion. Randomly while driving in different situations,
> > imagine that you throttle pedal has no affect and/or goes full
> > throttle. I think you will find that the solution will vary quite
> > wildly depending on the situation. Factor in cell phones, a Big Gulp,
> > 16 year old drivers, etc. and you see this isn't a simple issue, nor one
> > that just dismissing people as "stupid drivers" who have the problem.
> > You only hear about the people who pray the rosary and call next of kin
> > instead of doing the right thing, not about those who handle it and say
> > nothing or just dump the POS.
> >
> > Steve
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