[urq] Toyota UA debacle

[Ingo Rautenberg]

Funny how Scott's story brings me to a similar situation, albeit mit my
Lehmann-chipped 200q20v in the mountains of WV on I-77 heading south on one
of my trip to NC a few years back. Luckily it wasn't in the real hairy
mountain passes, but still, it was that damn cruise control rod!

Also required downshifting, stabbing of the throttle (useless), judicious
use of my 993tt brakes with custom brackets, hats, and Coleman cross-drilled
race rotors to pull down the speed before I shut off the ignition as I
pulled off the road. Oh, I also shifted to neutral and she surged past 6k as
I shut off the ignition.  Scary? You bet. Damn happy I had my custom brake
kit and kept my wits about me.

Ingo

On Feb 27, 2010 7:13 PM, <qshipq at aol.com> wrote:


 Mike
I did 'hit' the brakes, but not with full to the floor force, as my brain
was still assessing the circumstances of 'what' was going on at the time.  I
know that my 4.2 v8 at WFO throttle didn't give two craps that I did a 2/3
brake engagement at the time.  As I started to realize this was a serious
problem, I was into avoidance and evade mode, while going after shutdown
mode.  It wasn't until I restarted the car fully stopped that I came quickly
to the diagnosis that I had a failed cruise rod bushing.  Could I have
absolutely stood on the brakes immediately and 'likely' had a safe outcome?
 Possibly.  Could I have put it in neutral and blown my car up had I been
looking at an impending catastrophic event?  Sure.  What I *chose* to do,
was not rely soley on braking to save my sorry ass, whatever C&D says in
their tests.  The last thing I was thinking was that I was safer standing on
the brakes, than taking other action.  In the moment of truth, with a lot of
training, and without panic, I was able to save the engine, not hurt myself
or others, and bring my car safely to the side of the road with the engine
off.  Without that training, and with panic, I could see catastrophic events
in a matter of seconds.

In the case of the Toyota, I look at redundancies to the philosophy that
electronics are mutually exclusive, and I think it's a no brainer given the
circumstances of some of these incidents.  I dare anyone to try taking a 4.2
v8 at 5500rpm and stand on the brakes.  This is where the C/D test fails
IMO.  For an expected set of circumstances and given variables, absolutely
fine.  When the brain is processing a lot more than a cone>distance tests, a
lot of variables come into play.

My .02

Scott J









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