[urq] Another Urq for sale (and an RS6)
Brandon Rogers
brogers at terrix.com
Tue Mar 2 10:32:15 PST 2010
Good points made by all. Just wanted to say I saw your pics from the
Marketplace ad, Jeff - that IS one damn beautiful urq - I hope you do get
top dollar - whatever that is....
Brandon
'84 ur - a few mods :-)
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Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:03 AM
To: djdawson2 at aol.com; javadog at att.net; urq at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [urq] Another Urq for sale (and an RS6)
A couple of thoughts following this thread. No offense intended to jeff
here, but his own $30k RS6 ad kinda puts his own contrary points in
perspective. Regarding the urq specifically, having bought and sold several
of them over the years, inspected and brokered several more, here's my FWIW.
First, you want to plunk down a 20k price, the expectation of the car will
reflect that price here in the USA. To wit, buy the factory correct visor
clip, and find the frickin radio knob. A claim "it's not perfect", will
flounder in the 'perfect' asking price. Secondly, the desired 'mods' to an
original urq, don't help here at all. A k24 conversion makes this a
'modded' low mileage clean car, so does the chip. And, once you enter the
'modded' world, the expectation grows. To that end, I've seen and modded
urq's that might fetch 10-15, but at 20k, it's not the mileage 'only' that's
going to fetch that. In fact, I'd argue at 20k, you are better off taking
the mods out, and putting every factory correct pieces back in the car.
Unfortunately, you've already advertised it for what it is/was.
Next, comes back to these forums. I honestly don't think in the last 15
years here, I've ever bought or sold an urq on this list, or used
marketplace to advertise one. Mostly because what Jeff is going through is
exactly what I prefer not to. This crew can be brutal, to any and all
aspects of an urq. And the true finds as buyers and sellers, IMO, comes
from finding the ones 'not' on the net radar. BTDT a couple dozen times
over the years. Er, just last week in fact.
The urq has just never seen the massive price jump to reflect an enthusiasts
desire. A museum quality urq in 'mod free' excellent condition might find a
20k buyer, I haven't seen it yet, and I'm with Dave/Peter here, the timing
is wrong to expect it this year. That said, market price is what the last
one sold for. I wish Jeff the best of luck in that regard, and look forward
to the day when a modded low mileage urq can actually fetch 20k.
My .02
Scott J
a few current and pas-t/sed urq's
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From: djdawson2 at aol.com
To: javadog at att.net; urq at audifans.com
Sent: Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: [urq] Another Urq for sale (and an RS6)
'89 930 is what I got.... but not really sure what your point is. I think
just
about all models have taken a hit. Anything pricey is simply not moving.
Same
story in the Ferrari market, it seems.
Dave
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From: javadog at att.net
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Sent: Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: [urq] Another Urq for sale (and an RS6)
So,
What Porsche did you buy? Some Porsche prices are down, some are not, it
depends a lot on the specific car.
Cheers,
Jeff
-------------- Original message from djdawson2 at aol.com: --------------
Hey... proof is proof... tell us how it turns out.
I like to follow the Porsches. I bought one 10 months ago because they have
crashed, and buying one at current prices was just too attractive to ignore.
If
you can find the "money no object" buyer for your urq... more power to you.
My theory in the Porsche crowd is that many of those owners must have been
barely able to afford them in the first place. Then, when the economy took
a
hit, they are no longer capable of owning/paying for those cars.
Best of luck...
Dave
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From: javadog at att.net
To: <urq at audifans.com> <urq at audifans.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 1, 2010 9:09 am
Subject: Re: [urq] Another Urq for sale (and an RS6)
Peter,
You might be right, who knows? I will say this, though... I have heard
nothing
but bad things about the car market in the last 6 months. And, that may be
true
for most cars, I don't know. Sometimes it seems that I hear it most from
potential buyers, perhaps to justify a less-than-respectable offer, or from
people that are not either buying or selling cars of late. My experience
has
been a little different. I have sold a half dozen cars during this time and
every single one of them has sold for more that "excellent retail" book
value.
In some cases, significantly more, like 30%. I tend to think that the
reason
for my success isn't that I am particularly lucky but that there is always a
market for really good cars. If you have something that is significantly
nicer
than the average car, you can usually find someone who will value that fact
and
pay the asking price. These people, in my opinion, realize that they can't
take
an average car and make it "nice" for anywhere
near what they would pay for one that has already been finished by someone
else. If your goal is to end up with a really nice example, that's the only
sensible way to get there. The thing is, you have to want the end product;
if
an average car makes you happy, there's no sense in spending the extra dough
on
a really nice one.
The other point I'll make is this: there are really very few nice ur
quattros
out there. I've owned these cars for over 25 years and, for a long time, I
looked at every one that I could find that came on the market. I was always
looking for a better example than the one I had at any given moment and I
was
also keeping an eye out for a blue '84 or '85 that lived in these parts, way
back in the mid-eighties. I looked at a lot of cars over the years and
spent a
fair bit of money having pre-purchase inspections done on the ones that
looked
promising. For the most part, I concentrated on the one owner/30k miles
sort of
cars. Until I found this one, they all flunked. Either I felt that the
miles
were not legit, or the car had the usual laundry list of 8 million little
things
that it needed. None of them were nice enough for what I wanted.
Is my car perfect? No, I feel that any ur quattro falls short of that goal.
As
nice as these cars can be, they are representative of the technology of the
early '80's, and the way they were originally built, and if you live with
one
long enough, you'll learn to accept that. Newer cars are better, in just
about
every way. An ur quattro will always be a car that needs time and money
spent
on it. There's always something that can be made to work better, or look
better. That's just the way it is. I'd rather start here, though, than to
try
to resurect somebody's old daily driver. Been there, done that, won't do it
again.
Ths car may stay here in the States, or it may go to Europe. I've sold a
couple
of my cars to buyers in Germany. Prices are higher there, nice cars are
extremely rare and the exchange rate is favorable for European buyers.
We'll
see. I'm headed to Japan next week and when I get back, I'll start
marketing
the car.
Cheers,
Jeff
-------------- Original message from Peter <audionly at gmail.com>:
--------------
$20,000? I hate saying it but I don't think that is going to happen in this
economy. Jim F. is having a difficult time selling his at $7,500 and his car
is
in very good condition. There was one on E-bay a couple months back with
15,000
mi. for $15,000. (He might have been fishing; because I can't find one
person
who was successful contacting him about the car.) And supposedly one here
in
Colorado that was on E-bay this past summer and wouldn't bring over $12K;
sold
for $20,000 to someone back East. We need to admit to ourselves that we own
toys, boys; and those are the first thing to go in times like these. My
personal
experience has been that only the older high dollar Porsche's are holding
their
value; everything else is down at least 30% from a year ago and still headed
South. Even the Sports are down in value to under $100,000. This is not the
time
to be selling unless you must.
On a side note; I would like to ask everyone a question. Gary B. (the
quintessential Aussi). of Meadow Creek Tyres has an 83 that he bought new
and
now has 30,000 mi...........Verified and in excellent original condition. I
hear stories of URQ's with lower miles; but none that can be verified.
Anyone
else actually seen a super low mileage URQ in North America? Regards,
/Peter
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:55 PM, <javadog at att.net> wrote:
Well, a few months ago I mentioned that I was thinking of selling off some
of
my cars. That day has come and, while I realize that everyone here probably
has
an Urq, or three, I thought I'd advertise it here before sending it out to
the
wider quattro world. The details:
'83 Mars red/tan leather, chassis #437
57,000 miles
K24 turbo, Ned Ritchie cam, Euro bumpers and lights
Otherwise stock, down to the original radio
I bought this car from Kent Anderson in 1999. It was originally from the
Montana/Idaho area. I'm the third owner, as far as I can tell, and the
second
owner ( a woman) bought it in 1985, with around 20k miles, give or take.
I've
spent a lot of time and money addressing the usual issues with these cars
and I
feel that this is one of the better cars left. It needs the visor clips and
one
small memory button on the radio. I have records for it dating back to 1986
or
1987. Pictures of the car can be seen at:
http://s813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/javadog/quattro/
More details and larger pictures are available to anybody with a serious
interest in the car. I'm looking for $20,000.
For those of you that inquired earlier about my 2003 RS6, it's also for
sale.
I'm the original owner, it's fairly loaded, has 9,843 miles and hasn't been
driven in rain or snow. It's well-serviced and needs nothing. Pictures of
this
one can be seen at : http://s813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/javadog/RS6/
Thanks,
Jeff
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