[urq] Urq ownership: Passion vs Enthusiast

Fri Nov 15 18:18:07 PST 2013

I apologize if you took this personally....  I have been on these forums since the coimbra days.  I enjoy the enthusiastic reads of drives, comparos, challenges, and stories of what one does *with* a quattro.  When I read bitches about Audi lack of support, or lack of urq owner "interest" I roll my eyes mostly, and occasionally jump on board to end such debauchery.  Maybe it comes from reading it for 18 years?

Luckily for me, I am an enthusiast and chase the quattro passion of the first order, in ownership, builds, competitions, Steamboat Ice driving, and even urq toys...  Better than anyone else?  Not my claim.  But 10 years of running a shop,, and 10 or so urq's I still work on besides my own 2 (and owned another 6 or so over the years), not *once* in 18 years on these lists have I 'wished' Audi did anything for me or my passion for Urqs.  I just play the passion game as it is given to me by *my* choice, fully understanding that price and factory support have nothing to do with my true passion.

Dennis this isn't your first foray with me here.  Several years ago, I spoke with you directly regarding windshields, when you spread the word on the forums they were no longer available at all.  I called that (correctly I might add)  Urq windshields have always been available, and they always will.  The real question is, what is the expectation?  Just the 200$ windshields installed are no longer available...

If one continually challenges Audi to recognize what they have missed, or what they 'should' do, that is chatter plain and simple, it has been for my 18 years on the forums IMO.  I use "rank amateurs" ascription because the passionate owners of rare cars, don't bitch about the price of anything they need for it.  

What does that say about you personally? Nothing.  A better thing to do is sit down over a beer with Hackl, or Dupree, or Sean, Hap (plenty I've missed), and listen to the words they use to describe their passion.  There is no speak of price, or support, or what should be done by Audi.  They speak with passion to the vision that makes their machine have value to them.

We all could learn from that frankly.  Enthusiasts could be overwhelmed and insulted by those with the passion.  It's nothing personal.

Peace

Scott J
84 urq
83 urq

-----Original Message-----
From: dgraber460 <dgraber460 at aol.com>
To: qshipq <qshipq at aol.com>; audiqtrocp <audiqtrocp at aol.com>; mdeltergo <mdeltergo at hotmail.com>
Cc: urq <urq at audifans.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:36 pm
Subject: Re: [urq] Urq ownership:  Passion vs Enthusiast

silly forum chatter for rank amateurs

Really Scott!?!?!?
When the visor clips were reproduced, I bought them, and supported the effort.
That is a part for the car!!
These aluminum wall profiles are nice and all but why the hell do I need that to be an enthusiastic passionate owner??
I guess I will always be a "rank amateur" in your eyes, and even though you regularly name call and insult listers here I won't return in kind.
What convinces you that such an insulting post is OK on a public forum?  

Dennis 
Denver

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com>
To: audiqtrocp <audiqtrocp at aol.com>; mdeltergo <mdeltergo at hotmail.com>
Cc: urq <urq at audifans.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:54 am
Subject: [urq] Urq ownership:  Passion vs Enthusiast

 Very well summed in many contexts Sean!  I've counseled this to many urq owners 
for many years...  If this car is your passion, what difference does it make 
what Audi chooses to do, or really, how much any part costs.  I bought several 
of the aftermarket visor clips years ago, IIRC they were $35 a set plus 
shipping.  Didn't care, I'm not putting a mismatched vw part on I have to stare 
at every time I drive the car.  

I say stop chasing Audi for interest they don't have, because majority of urq 
ownership is in the entitlement phase right now, not the buyer phase of 
ownership.  Eric's point is valid, you put these 'NLA' parts back in the bin, 
you don't ask how much they are.  That's how Mercedes can support 50 year old 
parts orders.

I see the E30 no differently than the urq.  The top 10% of the market gets the 
top money.  They are slightly ahead of the urq in that price niche, mostly 
because there is no engine swap required/desired to make that a fun car.  

Personally, I think it's great to see and witness some with extreme urq passion 
chasing perfection.  Sean, absurd money into his I5 project, Riley's absurd 
money into restoring a minty 85, Dupree absurd money into many revisions making 
his ex-84 just so, and Hackl's Pikes Peak effort almost insane.  

The question you need to ask yourself, are you an enthusiast, or is this urq 
ownership your passion.  If it's the latter, reading posts that say "I'm in 
depending on price" is silly forum chatter for rank amateurs.  If it's your 
passion, you don't speak to the money required to feed it, only to the enjoyment 
of the summary accomplishment.

My .02

Scott J
84 urq
83 urq

-----Original Message-----
From: audiqtrocp <audiqtrocp at aol.com>
To: Mike Del Tergo <mdeltergo at hotmail.com>
Cc: urq <urq at audifans.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 14, 2013 10:54 pm
Subject: Re: [urq] Fw: Audi Museum miniatures

First of all Mike, your my hero.  I have always envied your ownership of those 
two cars.  If the M3 didn't keep two steps ahead of my budget I'd have one 
parked between the UrQ and the Integrale.   

Few would disagree here that most urq owners just won't, and historically 
haven't kept up with this $25 part and that $25 part during the ownership of 
their cars.  In fact you name a part, accessory, or service and I guarantee 
someone will chime in and complain about the price of it - regardless of how 
much time and money was invested into making or re-making that particular part.  

In my experience I have seen the opposite from E30 M3 owners, and that's a good 
reason those cars have out valued the more significant and rare UrQ.  

Sean. 

Sent from my iPhone for, the one with the bigger Gee Bee's

On Nov 13, 2013, at 19:36, Mike Del Tergo <mdeltergo at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Any elaboration here?  Could save thousands in therapy as I'm one of a few 
Urq/E30 M3 owners....
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