[V8] Manual tranny needs rebuild

[dsaad at icehouse.net]

It is made by Audi - but it is full of Porsche parts. You will understand the
implications of this fact when you get the parts bill.

FWIW, when they got my tranny, the guy called me after the tear down to ask what
was wrong. He could not see anything amiss. My 2nd gear grinding was probably
caused by a toasted clutch. I had them go ahead and replace the 1 & 2 gear
syncros and the main bearings and all seals just so I felt like I got an
overhaul. None of it was strictly necessary though. I already had to pay for the
teardown anyway.
I would have been fine if I just re-installed the tranny though - and about
$1500 richer.
He did find a small issue with reverse gear though. It was a little chewed up -
even though it is a syncro gear. They tried to put in a used gear (OK'd by me)
and went through several assembly/dis-assembly/re-assembly operations before he
realized that the gear ratio was wrong. He cleaned up the old gear and
re-installed.
I never had an issue with reverse before - except that it was hard to engage
when stopped - and it still is. Not a problem I think - just a charactoristic of
this transmission.

The only other problem (post overhaul) was that it started popping out of 2nd
gear on steep hill descents. (think Seattle city driving) That problem went away
when I replaced the motor mounts and re-adjusted the shift linkage. Plus I just
don't go to Seattle with the V8 anymore!
And, second gear is just not a smooth snick into gear. It does not grind or
anything but it just takes a hard pull to get it it. I used RedLine oil so maybe
that has something to do with it?

The tech did seem confused by this transmission though. It had a spacer that he
had never seen, the oil pump - which he knew about, and the reverse thing. It is
not exactly the same as a vanilla 016. Remind them to double check part numbers
and you should be fine.


Dave



Quoting quattro + 5 or 8 = fun <thequattroking at yahoo.com>:

> It is made by Audi.
>
>
> Shayne
>
>
> Bay Area, CA
> Eastern WA State
>
>
> PARTING:  1972 Mercedes Benz 280 SE 4.5
> PARTING:  1986 Audi 4000 CS quattro
>
>
> > From: S Dewitt <sdewitt at stx.rr.com>
> > Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 05:28:08 -0500
> > To: V8 Audi Fans <v8 at audifans.com>, <quattro at audifans.com>
> > Subject: Re: [V8] Manual tranny needs rebuild
> >
> > Is the 016 box a ZF? I've seen no ZF markings on it. I thought it was a
> box
> > made by Audi?
> >
> >
> > Scott DeWitt
> > Advanced Automotion
> > 817-939-6761
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "quattro + 5 or 8 = fun" <thequattroking at yahoo.com>
> > To: "Jeremy Ward" <jward at mti-interactive.com>; "Shawn Head"
> > <s4qtro at bellsouth.net>; "Thomas Barbera" <barberat at yahoo.com>; "V8 Audi
> > Fans" <v8 at audifans.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 1:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: [V8] Manual tranny needs rebuild
> >
> >
> >> HI-
> >>
> >> German does not rebuild Autos.  I thought the tranny in question WAS a
> >> manual.  And yes, I think you are right, they are in Bend.  I KNOW they
> >> rebuilt my manual tranny.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Shayne
> >>
> >>
> >> Bay Area, CA
> >> Eastern WA State
> >>
> >>
> >> PARTING:  1972 Mercedes Benz 280 SE 4.5
> >> PARTING:  1986 Audi 4000 CS quattro
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Jeremy Ward <jward at mti-interactive.com>
> >>> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:50:00 -0700
> >>> To: quattro + 5 or 8 = fun <thequattroking at yahoo.com>, Shawn Head
> >>> <s4qtro at bellsouth.net>, Thomas Barbera <barberat at yahoo.com>, V8 Audi
> > Fans
> >>> <v8 at audifans.com>
> >>> Subject: RE: [V8] Manual tranny needs rebuild
> >>>
> >>> Shane,
> >>>
> >>> I believe German Transaxle is actually in Bend, OR.  I called them when
> >>> my slushbox died last year, and they didn't sound keen on rebuilding it.
> >>> Thanks for the tip RE Forest (albeit too late). :-)
> >>>
> >>> Tom,
> >>>
> >>> I know Erickson Industries (in CT) is closer to you than me and they do
> >>> the ZF Autoboxes...  Not sure on the 5-spds, though.
> >>>
> >>> HTH,
> >>>
> >>> - Jeremy
> >>> Portland, OR
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: v8-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:v8-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf
> >>> Of quattro + 5 or 8 = fun
> >>> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 8:42 AM
> >>> To: Shawn Head; 'Thomas Barbera'; V8 Audi Fans
> >>> Subject: Re: [V8] Manual tranny needs rebuild
> >>>
> >>> Call
> >>>
> >>> Forrest at
> >>> German Transaxle Service
> >>> 800.892.4327
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Only talk to Forrest.  His staff says they don't do V8qs.  But, they do.
> >>> And they do a FINE job.
> >>>
> >>> Shipping both ways and labor was about $900.  GTS is in Portland OR.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Also try Bill at Botzon's Automotive.  Bill is semi-retired.  So he is
> >>> not
> >>> always in.  Tammy or Bud will likely answer the phone.  Tell them Shayne
> >>> told you to call.  Bill specialized in automatics.  But has done a host
> >>> of
> >>> "odd" manual tranny's.  If he can't do the tranny he will tell you.  He
> >>> is
> >>> SUPERB at what he does.  509.928.4747.  He is also cheap.  The last
> >>> tranny
> >>> he did for me required major work.  Charged me $300.  He is in Spokane,
> >>> WA.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Shayne
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Bay Area, CA
> >>> Eastern WA State
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> PARTING:  1972 Mercedes Benz 280 SE 4.5
> >>> PARTING:  1986 Audi 4000 CS quattro
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: Shawn Head <s4qtro at bellsouth.net>
> >>>> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 05:32:54 -0400
> >>>> To: 'Thomas Barbera' <barberat at yahoo.com>, <v8 at audifans.com>
> >>>> Subject: RE: [V8] Manual tranny needs rebuild
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm pretty sure I remember Keith telling me about a ZF repair shop in
> >>>> Atlanta somewhere...
> >>>>
> >>>> Check with Keith.
> >>>>
> >>>> Shawn Head
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: v8-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:v8-bounces at audifans.com] On
> >>> Behalf Of
> >>>> Thomas Barbera
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 5:43 PM
> >>>> To: v8 at audifans.com
> >>>> Subject: [V8] Manual tranny needs rebuild
> >>>>
> >>>> Well fellow v8 fans, the 5spd manual in my '91 v8 is
> >>>> on its way out.  2nd gear synchro is going and I'm not
> >>>> sure how much longer it will last.  Anyone have any
> >>>> suggestions?  Where can I get this thing rebuilt?  I
> >>>> would consider a 6spd 01E but they are out of my price
> >>>> range.  I can't seem to find a shop that will touch my
> >>>> tranny.  I'm located in Pittsburgh, PA.  I would do it
> >>>> myself, but I don't know where to get the parts.  If
> >>>> any one has any suggestions, I would love to hear from
> >>>> them.  Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tom B.
> >>>> '91 V8 5spd
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