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[dsaad at icehouse.net]

It sure sounds like you have plenty of reason to remove the whole starter and
have your shop rebuild it.

You can short those posts out - but I would not. The circuit you will be
completing will be several hundred amps - and it will make a big shower of
sparks. There is no good reason to risk losing an eye or starting a fire.
If you were stuck in the middle of nowhere and needed to try something, this
trick might get you home but it really is not safe.

And - yes - I have done it.

Dave

Quoting Ed Kellock <ekellock at gmail.com>:

> Yes, one loud click.
>
> I wanted to short the posts to confirm the starter would spin, but I
> chickened out.  Someone else mentioned doing it.  I wasn't exactly
> sure of how though.  Key in run position and short between the 2 posts
> on the back of the solenoid?
>
> I intended to pull the starter last night, but was dog tired and just
> could not seem to find the access from behind for the top bolt.  I saw
> a round hole but that was oriented about 90 degrees or perpendicular
> to what I thought it should be.  I couldn't get any access up and/over
> in there.  No one has made any big noises about it being a total PITA
> so I figure I was just not up to the task last night and quit.  Going
> to attack it again on Saturday with a friend.
>
> There's a shop here in town that I've had a couple of alternators
> rebuilt at so I'm just going to take the starter to them.
>
> Ed
>
> On 1/5/07, dsaad at icehouse.net <dsaad at icehouse.net> wrote:
> > If I follow your description correctly, it sounds like a bad solenoid.
> > When you turn the key to start, does the starter solenoid engage (loud
> click),
> > and stay engaged? That would be a very positive indicator of bad contacts
> in the
> > solenoid. If it chatters then that indicates more of a battery or cable or
> > connection problem - but that does not seem to be the case for you.
> >
> > I don't know what the options are for rebuilds - but if it were me I would
> tear
> > down the starter and if it is in rebuildable shape, I would replace the
> drive
> > gear, brushes, solenoid, and anything else possible like bearings.
> > Or just get a rebuilt unit, but I usually would rather rebuild my own just
> > because I know what I am starting with and can control the quality of the
> job.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > Quoting Ed Kellock <ekellock at gmail.com>:
> >
> > > I followed Bently procedures.  It says at least 8 volts at the red
> > > wire and at the one to the starter.  I got more than 8 at both except
> > > the one that goes to the starter fell off right away.
> > >
> > > On 1/4/07, dsaad at icehouse.net <dsaad at icehouse.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Did you see the 8 volts on the solenoid wire (small one) while
> cranking?
> > > > That sounds a little low. You either have a bad battery or cable I
> would
> > > guess.
> > > >
> > > > The next description of flaky voltage at the main post also says
> > > cable/battery -
> > > > unless you are measuring at the wire that goes into the motor. In
> other
> > > words,
> > > > past the switch which is inside the solenoid. If you are measuring
> past
> > > the
> > > > solenoid, you are probably looking at a bad solenoid. Someone just
> posted
> > > about
> > > > having burned contacts - and this is the exact symptom.
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Ed Kellock <ekellock at gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > Got the car up and removed the belly pan last night.  No apparent
> > > > > interference by snow/ice.  The connections and wires look solid and
> > > > > basically clean.
> > > > >
> > > > > I could see a slight twitch of the starter/solenoid when my helper
> > > > > tried to start it so something's trying to happen there, just not
> sure
> > > > > what.
> > > > >
> > > > > I checked voltage at the starter trigger wire, 8+ volts.  Then at
> the
> > > > > post on the solenoid that supplies the starter with voltage.  That
> was
> > > > > flakey... with the key held in the start position, the voltage would
> > > > > initially show 8+ volts then fluctuate, then drop to nothing.  Not
> > > > > sure if that's normal or if it matters.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, I plan to pull the starter tonight.  Bentley says to come
> from
> > > > > behind for the top bolt with an extension and a flex.  Nobody who's
> > > > > done the starter has lamented at how difficult it is, so I'll assume
> > > > > the flex/extension step is not overly difficult/frustrating.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed
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