[V8] no start

[Ed Kellock]

Yes, one loud click.

I wanted to short the posts to confirm the starter would spin, but I
chickened out.  Someone else mentioned doing it.  I wasn't exactly
sure of how though.  Key in run position and short between the 2 posts
on the back of the solenoid?

I intended to pull the starter last night, but was dog tired and just
could not seem to find the access from behind for the top bolt.  I saw
a round hole but that was oriented about 90 degrees or perpendicular
to what I thought it should be.  I couldn't get any access up and/over
in there.  No one has made any big noises about it being a total PITA
so I figure I was just not up to the task last night and quit.  Going
to attack it again on Saturday with a friend.

There's a shop here in town that I've had a couple of alternators
rebuilt at so I'm just going to take the starter to them.

Ed

On 1/5/07, dsaad at icehouse.net <dsaad at icehouse.net> wrote:
> If I follow your description correctly, it sounds like a bad solenoid.
> When you turn the key to start, does the starter solenoid engage (loud click),
> and stay engaged? That would be a very positive indicator of bad contacts in the
> solenoid. If it chatters then that indicates more of a battery or cable or
> connection problem - but that does not seem to be the case for you.
>
> I don't know what the options are for rebuilds - but if it were me I would tear
> down the starter and if it is in rebuildable shape, I would replace the drive
> gear, brushes, solenoid, and anything else possible like bearings.
> Or just get a rebuilt unit, but I usually would rather rebuild my own just
> because I know what I am starting with and can control the quality of the job.
>
> Dave
>
>
> Quoting Ed Kellock <ekellock at gmail.com>:
>
> > I followed Bently procedures.  It says at least 8 volts at the red
> > wire and at the one to the starter.  I got more than 8 at both except
> > the one that goes to the starter fell off right away.
> >
> > On 1/4/07, dsaad at icehouse.net <dsaad at icehouse.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Did you see the 8 volts on the solenoid wire (small one) while cranking?
> > > That sounds a little low. You either have a bad battery or cable I would
> > guess.
> > >
> > > The next description of flaky voltage at the main post also says
> > cable/battery -
> > > unless you are measuring at the wire that goes into the motor. In other
> > words,
> > > past the switch which is inside the solenoid. If you are measuring past
> > the
> > > solenoid, you are probably looking at a bad solenoid. Someone just posted
> > about
> > > having burned contacts - and this is the exact symptom.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > Quoting Ed Kellock <ekellock at gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Got the car up and removed the belly pan last night.  No apparent
> > > > interference by snow/ice.  The connections and wires look solid and
> > > > basically clean.
> > > >
> > > > I could see a slight twitch of the starter/solenoid when my helper
> > > > tried to start it so something's trying to happen there, just not sure
> > > > what.
> > > >
> > > > I checked voltage at the starter trigger wire, 8+ volts.  Then at the
> > > > post on the solenoid that supplies the starter with voltage.  That was
> > > > flakey... with the key held in the start position, the voltage would
> > > > initially show 8+ volts then fluctuate, then drop to nothing.  Not
> > > > sure if that's normal or if it matters.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I plan to pull the starter tonight.  Bentley says to come from
> > > > behind for the top bolt with an extension and a flex.  Nobody who's
> > > > done the starter has lamented at how difficult it is, so I'll assume
> > > > the flex/extension step is not overly difficult/frustrating.
> > > >
> > > > Ed
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