[V8] starter / serpentine belt BTDT?

Dave Saad dsaad at icehouse.net
Mon Jan 5 06:23:03 PST 2009 

Looks like you need some valve cover gaskets. When you replace them,  
use a torque wrench to tighten the bolts, and use some sort of  
tightening pattern to avoid warping.  If you over or under tighten it  
will leak - and as I recall, these bolts are 11 ft/lbs (not much) of  
torque. You will have a nice dry and clean motor if you do this.
If you don't have one, the old pointer type wrenches are cheap.  I  
got one at a used tool store the other day for $4.

Dave

On Jan 3, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Karl Middlebrooks wrote:

>
> I did a little more work on getting the old starter out this  
> morning. I'm going ridiculously slowly, because this is the first  
> time I've done more than an oil change on the car, and it seems  
> like I spend most of my time learning lots and lots about what  
> doesn't work (which I suppose, leaves you with what does work).
>
> I've got two new photos up before I go any further.
> The first thing baffles me. The photo is of the current starter,  
> highlighting the lower starter bolt. It's hard to get a good angle,  
> but the problem is this. According to what I've read so far, this  
> is supposed to be an 8mm allen bolt, but even a 10mm wrench spins  
> freely in the socket. It seems like a 12mm allen wrench would fit.  
> Is this right? I believe I'm looking at the correct bolt, using the  
> new starter as a guide. There's another allen bolt to the left of  
> the lower starter bolt that is 10mm, but it doesn't appear to have  
> anything to do with the starter at all. Photo:
> https://cid-a0eec9d1fb38945b.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Audi%20V8Q% 
> 201990%20-%20Titan%20Grey/v8q%20lower%20starter%20bolt.JPG
>
> The second photo is of the view from the passenger side of the  
> engine, once the distributor cap was removed. The circled location  
> appears to me to be the upper starter bolt, but I'd like to do a  
> sanity check before I start removing it. Photo:
>
> https://cid-a0eec9d1fb38945b.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Audi%20V8Q% 
> 201990%20-%20Titan%20Grey/v8q%20upper%20starter%20bolt.JPG
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Karl
>
>> From: benzeenprophet at hotmail.com
>> To: v8 at audifans.com
>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:23:37 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [V8] starter / serpentine belt BTDT?
>>
>>
>> Thanks to everyone who's replied so far. I really appreciate the  
>> help and the step-by-step. I got started on the job tonight, and  
>> put in just an hour or so, kind of checking thing out and going  
>> very slowly.
>>
>> I put up a couple of photos here: https://cid- 
>> a0eec9d1fb38945b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Audi%20V8Q%201990% 
>> 20-%20Titan%20Grey?ct=photos
>>
>> I've got a couple of things I'm curious about (this is all shown  
>> in the photos):
>>
>> 1) Poking around, it looks like I've got some oil buildup in a  
>> couple of places. I've marked the locations in the photos, and am  
>> not sure if it's anything to be terribly concerned about, or  
>> something I should just clean up and keep an eye on.
>>
>> 2) Following Ron's instructions, I removed the passenger side  
>> spark plug wires from the plugs. When I removed the wire cover, I  
>> noticed a bunch of tiny bits of stuff near the plug wires. It sort  
>> of looks like really dark, fine sawdust or iron filings. What is  
>> that stuff?
>>
>> 3) The old starter has some serious corrosion on it. Is this  
>> normal for a car without the belly pan? I'm guessing that at 134k  
>> on this '90 that it's the original starter. I see here and there  
>> in the engine some spots of white/grey buildup that look like  
>> corrosion and the mechanic who fixed a no-start problem for me  
>> recently mentioned that the crank sensor had to be cleaned because  
>> something had leaked on it at some point and caused some buildup/ 
>> corrosion.
>>
>> Since I'm new to working inside the engine compartment/underside  
>> of these cars, I thought I'd throw up the pics and see if any  
>> alarm bells sounded for you folks who have spent a lot more time  
>> on the beasts.
>>
>> Thanks again for all the help.
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:33:42 -0800
>>> From: ron_01056 at yahoo.com
>>> Subject: Re: [V8] starter / serpentine belt BTDT?
>>> To: benzeenprophet at hotmail.com
>>> CC: v8 at audifans.com
>>>
>>> Forgot to mention were the top bolt was.......DOH
>>> It's located rite to the side of the trans vent tube located @  
>>> the top side of the axle housing.
>>> You'll know it's in your hand cause it's like 8 or ao inches  
>>> long... sorry I gotta laugh.
>>>
>>>  Ron
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Ron Wainwright <ron_01056 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Ron Wainwright <ron_01056 at yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [V8] starter / serpentine belt BTDT?
>>>> To: "Karl Middlebrooks" <benzeenprophet at hotmail.com>
>>>> Cc: v8 at audifans.com
>>>> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 8:27 PM
>>>> Starter R&R,
>>>>
>>>> 1) disconnect the betterie
>>>> 2)Lower allen head bolt is an 8MM gotten from under the
>>>> car.
>>>> 3) top bolt is gotten from top. Remove the airfilter
>>>> housing/snorkels,
>>>> remove the P-side plug wires from the spark plugs &
>>>> remove the cap. Once thats done you can use a 10mm allen
>>>> head socket. Insert the socket & you will notice that
>>>> not all of it goes in....that will give you enough room to
>>>> put a 10mm open end wrench on the allen head bit that sticks
>>>> out.
>>>> Remove the two wires from the starter.
>>>>
>>>>  What does the serp belt kit contain? belt, rollers &
>>>> damper? anyway.....
>>>> remove the rad fan, 2 10mm bolts & put it on the hydro
>>>> res.
>>>> remove the 10mm bolt from the top of the serp belt damper
>>>> on the p-side t-belt cover. Use a screw driver to push out
>>>> the top of the damper.
>>>> Now you can use the closed end of a 13mm wrench on the
>>>> acorn nut. The acorn nut is located to the Left of the crank
>>>> pully. Push down to relieve the tension & pull the belt
>>>> off.
>>>> The rollers have a Blk plastic cover on them. Use a small
>>>> blade screwdriver to pop the cap & use a 6mm allen head
>>>> to remove the bolts & wiggle the rollers off.
>>>>  You shouldn't have any issues with room if you remove
>>>> the rad fan.
>>>>
>>>>  If you need any pics of anything I can send them to
>>>> you.... just let me know.
>>>>
>>>>  Ron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Karl Middlebrooks
>>>> <benzeenprophet at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: Karl Middlebrooks
>>>> <benzeenprophet at hotmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: [V8] starter / serpentine belt BTDT?
>>>>> To: "Audi V8Q Mailing list"
>>>> <v8 at audifans.com>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 6:49 PM
>>>>> Having gotten laid off for the holidays (which was
>>>> much less
>>>>> fun than getting a bonus for the holidays), I'm
>>>> now
>>>>> getting around to doing a little needed work on the
>>>> Titan
>>>>> Grey 90.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got a rebuilt Bosch starter ready to go, but
>>>>> having read a few threads in the archives about the
>>>>> difficulty of some of the bolts, I'm curious about
>>>> the
>>>>> best way to go about getting the old out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I've got a new serpentine belt kit that
>>>> needs to
>>>>> go on. On first inspection, it looks like all things
>>>>> considered, the best way to go about replacing the
>>>>> serpentine belt and idlers is with the front removed
>>>> from
>>>>> the car. I've got other cars to use, and it seems
>>>> like
>>>>> it's not a bad time to learn how to take the front
>>>> end
>>>>> off the car. Thoughts on replacing the best way to
>>>> replace
>>>>> the belt without removing the front end, or gotchas on
>>>>> taking off/replacing the front? The manuals specify
>>>> that a
>>>>> pin should be put in to keep the tension off, and i
>>>>> don't have the Audi pin...any advice as to what
>>>>> works/doesn't work for that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Karl
>>>>> too much time on my hands now....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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