[V8] 5 spd transplant

[Ron Wainwright]

The mith the legend.... nice to see you post Bart :-) But I can answer these questions.
 The reason your 4.2 convert AKA GE wasn't what it should have been wasn't cause of the cams. The 4.2 cams would be the best drop in option you had.... besides radical higher lift cams! But I think it was the the ECU. I've sold & been in contact with every subsaquent owner... John, & now Nick. From what Nick says the car fails in the higher RPM range cause of the 4.2 ECU & wireing that was used. Correct me if I'm wrong Bart, but Keith used the 4.2 stuff rite?

To retouch on the cam differences.... the Exhaust cams are all the same up to the ABZ.... the differences lie in the Intake. The Auto PT is the starting point, then the PT Manual, then the ABH then the ABZ...

 I've jotted down my setup before, but I will again.

92 ABH 4.2. rebuilt Block & P&P'd heads... some cam work as well... basiclly the only things not replaced were the Pistons & Rods.
3.6 ECU & Engine wireing harness... the ECU has a ABT chip
3.6 manual accesories & crank pully
3.6 Ported Intake Mani
19lb inj
Zeitronix WB02
P-car adj FPR

 I don't like to relive why I'm not driving the car now... but for the time I got to drive it with the 4.2 in it,
it was something that would make one shivery... just words couldn't comunicate to anyone what it felt like. As I was going through the gears it was like the car wanted more! I was shifting @ round 5/6G & could feel the car still pulling. & the sounds it made...... just incredable!!!!

 I remember the 1st moments I jumped in my 5sp when I bought it. I though that there was nothing finner than driving a V8 5sp! We drove from Imley City, MI to Springfield, Oh.... then I drove from Oh back to Ma without missing a beat.

 All so.... as Scott has mentioned..... an 01E 6sp will work as well. You'd need all the parts that you would need if one would do an 016 swap from say a 200 20vt..... with the exception of needing the trans mounts from a European V8 with the 6sp.... & a 6sp FW if you were to use an 01E trans.
 All so in the 01E familey.... you can use the trans from the 92-95.5 Urs4/6's. You'd still need the European 6sp trans mounts cause the //s4/6 trans is still an 01E.

 Ron


--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Barton Chambers <gatorojo at earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: Barton Chambers <gatorojo at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [V8] 5 spd transplant
> To: "Ed Kellock" <ekellock at gmail.com>, v8 at audifans.com
> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:55 PM
> Hi Ed,
> 
> I dunno.  I do know that the driving experience is
> dramatically  
> different between the UrManuals and the normal, autobox.
> 
> My converted 4.2  felt more like my '90 autobox (a
> helluva lot more)  
> than my '91 UrManual.  Even with chips.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Bart
> 
> On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:14 PM, Ed Kellock wrote:
> 
> > I think Jason is converting a 1990 V8q.  I have heard
> that the cams  
> > in the
> > 3.6 5spd cars is good for the 4.2.  Does the same
> apply to the 3.6  
> > auto
> > cars?
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: v8-bounces at audifans.com
> >> [mailto:v8-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of
> Barton Chambers
> >> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:02 AM
> >> To: v8 at audifans.com
> >> Subject: Re: [V8] 5 spd transplant
> >>
> >>
> >> Jason, I don't think there is any problem with
> the 200 tranny but I
> >> can't say for sure, I bought a '91 V8Q as
> a donor for the
> >> Gentleman's
> >> Express.
> >>
> >> But, and it's a big one, I can't recommend
> strongly enough getting
> >> the cam from the 5 speed V8.  The performace
> characteristic of the
> >> '91 5 speed is quite different than that of
> the auto, and to my
> >> disappointment, I found that this was due to the
> difference
> >> in cams.
> >> I believe that it's the intake cam that is
> different, but the
> >> difference is real and dramatic.  Even chipped
> (and I tried Ned's
> >> chip as well as another), the '93 4.2 never
> seemed as "lively" or,
> >> "eager" as my '91 Ur5speed. 
> You'll also want bigger front brakes
> >> (which means going to 17" wheels), and while
> you're at it, you'll
> >> probably want to upgrade the suspension.  But of
> all of these, I
> >> think the cam (intake?) is the most important.
> >>
> >> YM, naturally, MV
> >>
> >> Yer kindly ol' Unka Bart
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