[V8] 5 spd transplant

Fri Jan 16 18:51:13 PST 2009

I agree with Dave....... his car...DC's old car runs great! We got to test it out a bit a few years ago @ the GTG in Virginia for Keith before he moved to Ohio & it moves quiet nicley!

 I've all so driven Mark W's Euro cam'd 4.2 5sp & it is true that I felt the power really come on above 5G. Seems like Mark hasn't been up in that RPM range as well cause everytime I got up there he was screaming.... BRAKES.... BRAKES..... LOL 

 Ron

--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Dave Head <v8q at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> From: Dave Head <v8q at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [V8] 5 spd transplant
> To: ron_01056 at yahoo.com
> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:39 PM
> I can agree with Ron. My 91 (original 3.6 5 speed) with 4.2
> runs the 3.6 ECU. It goes like a scalded cat. Now the
> previous owner (Mr. Coleman) who had the 3.6 and moved to
> the 4.2 said it was only marginally faster than his 3.6 -
> but this 4.2 still has the stock auto cams. I've
> considered a set of euro manual heads (owned a set, but
> Bruce got them from me).
> Talking with Scott J, he said that I would really only gain
> on the high end, and I'm really not there often enough
> to justify (at this point). Too many other projects in the
> way right now.
> I can say that the car is a joy to drive, and is completely
> different than my 90 autobox.
> In the words of my son, who drove it down to me - this is
> how it should have been built! (it does have some
> 'other' improvements including Bira 2 brakes,
> H&R/Konis, and 18" P-Zeros.
> Heck the OEM DTM spoiler and the repaint are worth 30
> horses!
> 
> Dave Head
> 
> Ron Wainwright wrote:
> > The mith the legend.... nice to see you post Bart :-)
> But I can answer these questions.
> >  The reason your 4.2 convert AKA GE wasn't what it
> should have been wasn't cause of the cams. The 4.2 cams
> would be the best drop in option you had.... besides radical
> higher lift cams! But I think it was the the ECU. I've
> sold & been in contact with every subsaquent owner...
> John, & now Nick. From what Nick says the car fails in
> the higher RPM range cause of the 4.2 ECU & wireing that
> was used. Correct me if I'm wrong Bart, but Keith used
> the 4.2 stuff rite?
> > 
> > To retouch on the cam differences.... the Exhaust cams
> are all the same up to the ABZ.... the differences lie in
> the Intake. The Auto PT is the starting point, then the PT
> Manual, then the ABH then the ABZ...
> > 
> >  I've jotted down my setup before, but I will
> again.
> > 
> > 92 ABH 4.2. rebuilt Block & P&P'd heads...
> some cam work as well... basiclly the only things not
> replaced were the Pistons & Rods.
> > 3.6 ECU & Engine wireing harness... the ECU has a
> ABT chip
> > 3.6 manual accesories & crank pully
> > 3.6 Ported Intake Mani
> > 19lb inj
> > Zeitronix WB02
> > P-car adj FPR
> > 
> >  I don't like to relive why I'm not driving
> the car now... but for the time I got to drive it with the
> 4.2 in it,
> > it was something that would make one shivery... just
> words couldn't comunicate to anyone what it felt like.
> As I was going through the gears it was like the car wanted
> more! I was shifting @ round 5/6G & could feel the car
> still pulling. & the sounds it made...... just
> incredable!!!!
> > 
> >  I remember the 1st moments I jumped in my 5sp when I
> bought it. I though that there was nothing finner than
> driving a V8 5sp! We drove from Imley City, MI to
> Springfield, Oh.... then I drove from Oh back to Ma without
> missing a beat.
> > 
> >  All so.... as Scott has mentioned..... an 01E 6sp
> will work as well. You'd need all the parts that you
> would need if one would do an 016 swap from say a 200
> 20vt..... with the exception of needing the trans mounts
> from a European V8 with the 6sp.... & a 6sp FW if you
> were to use an 01E trans.
> >  All so in the 01E familey.... you can use the trans
> from the 92-95.5 Urs4/6's. You'd still need the
> European 6sp trans mounts cause the //s4/6 trans is still an
> 01E.
> > 
> >  Ron
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Barton Chambers
> <gatorojo at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Barton Chambers
> <gatorojo at earthlink.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [V8] 5 spd transplant
> >> To: "Ed Kellock"
> <ekellock at gmail.com>, v8 at audifans.com
> >> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:55 PM
> >> Hi Ed,
> >> 
> >> I dunno.  I do know that the driving experience is
> >> dramatically  different between the UrManuals and
> the normal, autobox.
> >> 
> >> My converted 4.2  felt more like my '90
> autobox (a
> >> helluva lot more)  than my '91 UrManual.  Even
> with chips.
> >> 
> >> HTH,
> >> 
> >> Bart
> >> 
> >> On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:14 PM, Ed Kellock wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I think Jason is converting a 1990 V8q.  I
> have heard
> >> that the cams  
> >>> in the
> >>> 3.6 5spd cars is good for the 4.2.  Does the
> same
> >> apply to the 3.6  
> >>> auto
> >>> cars?
> >>> 
> >>> Ed
> >>> 
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: v8-bounces at audifans.com
> >>>> [mailto:v8-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >> Barton Chambers
> >>>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:02 AM
> >>>> To: v8 at audifans.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [V8] 5 spd transplant
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Jason, I don't think there is any
> problem with
> >> the 200 tranny but I
> >>>> can't say for sure, I bought a '91
> V8Q as
> >> a donor for the
> >>>> Gentleman's
> >>>> Express.
> >>>> 
> >>>> But, and it's a big one, I can't
> recommend
> >> strongly enough getting
> >>>> the cam from the 5 speed V8.  The
> performace
> >> characteristic of the
> >>>> '91 5 speed is quite different than
> that of
> >> the auto, and to my
> >>>> disappointment, I found that this was due
> to the
> >> difference
> >>>> in cams.
> >>>> I believe that it's the intake cam
> that is
> >> different, but the
> >>>> difference is real and dramatic.  Even
> chipped
> >> (and I tried Ned's
> >>>> chip as well as another), the '93 4.2
> never
> >> seemed as "lively" or,
> >>>> "eager" as my '91 Ur5speed. 
> >> You'll also want bigger front brakes
> >>>> (which means going to 17" wheels),
> and while
> >> you're at it, you'll
> >>>> probably want to upgrade the suspension. 
> But of
> >> all of these, I
> >>>> think the cam (intake?) is the most
> important.
> >>>> 
> >>>> YM, naturally, MV
> >>>> 
> >>>> Yer kindly ol' Unka Bart
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