[V8] G60 brakes - PLEASE READ CORRECTION TO ERRORS

Fri Feb 11 16:05:20 PST 2011

Most my experience is with 90-93 v8.  I have never seen in person a 94 so u saying they were randomly put on makes sense.

As far as the bar fitting with the stamped brackets with OE parts (and not a custom or the like) bushing is IME not going to happen. If it does I would like a picture. 

 As far as the ball joint.....I did not know that!!!!!! So the 5k, 200 and 100's from 86-90 had 17 or 18mm ball joints? And the 90-91 200 and v8's had 18mm joints? While the C4 cars have 19mm joints Scott?????

 Now as far as a noticeable difference with it I can't tell!!!! I all so have a rear sway bar (17mm), 2Benn front and rear coilovers. 800/750lbs custom springs W/Koni's. I have Delrin rear subframe bushing's and front Delrin inner sway bar bushings with Aluminum front subframe bushing's. Now,
with that said I just can't tell cause the suspension on the car now is completely different from what was on there before. I haven't driven a car......besides the EKQ (Evo killer) and that was a long while ago....but in any event the car (mine) rides like it's on rails!!!!!!

 Ron
90 v8 5sp ABT chip UFO housings with MB S500 BBK's 
91 v8 5sp 4.2 ABT chip G60 housings with Alcon BBK's
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From: qshipq at aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:34:31 
To: <ingo.rautenberg at gmail.com>; <ron_01056 at yahoo.com>
Cc: <v8 at audifans.com>; <toml99 at todomundo.com>
Subject: Re: G60 brakes - PLEASE READ CORRECTION TO ERRORS 

 Ok a couple of clarifications, now that the misinformation is getting me all confused....  First off, I have worked on 3 ABH v8 USA cars with original owners years ago that had the 28mm bar from the factory.  IMU, these were randomly used in the late ABH series cars, most commonly found on '94's.   To the stamped vs cast swaybar mounting clamps:   ABT made a 30mm bar application that used the stamped early style clamps, which means you absolutely can use stamped clamps on a 28mm bar.  I have use the stamped style clamps on a 28mm bar of my own car with inner bushings from Suspension techniques.  I've also seen a stamped 26mm bar AND bushing set on a 28mm bar.  To the biggest error I read on this thread, THE UFO UPRIGHT IS NOT A 19mm BALL JOINT RON!!!!!!!.  It is 18mm (REREAD PLEASE: IT"S AN 18MM BALL JOINT ON UFO CARS), and if you try to use that 18mm joint on a 19mm S4 Upright, you are compromising the safety of that vehicle!  Rant off.

WRT springs, that is not part of the TSB Customer complaint for the UF0>G60 Conversion Campaign in the USA.  

WRT handling,  there is less front body roll.  Specifically, since bar diameter (given same design and material) stiffness increase is diameter^4 power (26x26x25x26) = 456,976 'units' vs (28x28x28x28)= 614,656  614,656/456,976 = 1.345 = The 28mm bar has a 34.5% increase in roll bar rate over the 26mm bar.  That rate makes a big difference on either a stock or modified car, and yields a noticeable improvement in handling.  

Luckily the urs car boys with 26mm factory bars have it simpler, as all urA6 chassis wagons had 28mm bars.

HTH

Scott J
92 v8 ABT Chipped G60's
91 v8 UFO 

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From: Ingo Rautenberg <ingo.rautenberg at gmail.com>
To: ron_01056 at yahoo.com
Cc: v8 at audifans.com <v8 at audifans.com>; toml99 at todomundo.com <toml99 at todomundo.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [V8] G60 brakes

Rob,

I thought all the '92 and '93 V8s with ABH motor came with the 28mm bar? I

put one on my 200q20v and have the same one on one of my '91 V8s. Yes, the

carriers are cast aluminum (or aluminium) and much beefier than the stamped

steel units used for the 26mm bars - and alo require different size rubber

bushings for the carriers and longer bolts. As to the setup when changing

for UFO rotors to G60s from the dealership -- I believe we used the UrS4

(100 quattro with I5 turbo) uprights and control arms. They use the larger

balljoints iirc.

Ingo

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:49 PM, <ron_01056 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> No v8 in the States came with the 28mm bar! U got ta buy one and have it

> shipped from Germany.....along with new saddles, bushing and longer bolts.

>  I did a group buy of them like 4 or so years ago. I have one on

> Betty....not sure I can give an impression of the benefits of it cause my

> suspension is not stock.

>

>  Ron

>

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:44:01

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> Subject: [V8]  G60 brakes

>

> Definatly does not have the 28mm bar......

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