[Vwdiesel] Re: 1.9 vs 1.6 T

[Nate Wall]

<<<Top speed? About 80 in the 1.6, over
120 in the 1.9 (with much more rapid acceleration).>>>>

Is the stock 1.9 TD Canadian tranny ratio of the 1990s higher than the
stock ACH diesel tranny ratio of the '80s?

--Nate

"Robert L. Coyle, Jr." wrote:

> Since I have previously owned a '97 Jetta with a
> factory 1.9TD (Canadian), a '85 Jetta with an
> aftermarket 1.9TD (formerly Hayden's), and currently
> own a '92 ECOdiesel with a 1.6TD, I am probably
> qualified to give you a comparison.
>
> First of all, there is a very noticeable increase in
> power with the 1.9TD. Having known only the 1.6NA up
> to that point, I was very impressed with the 1.9TD. Of
> course, the 1.6 TD in the ECO was also impressive in
> its own way, but now that I've dropped the automatic
> tranny in, it's a little more sluggish (compared to
> the five-speed). Top speed? About 80 in the 1.6, over
> 120 in the 1.9 (with much more rapid acceleration).
>
> Is the 1.9 worth $3,200? It depends. A lot of
> dieseling is pure enjoyment and driving pleasure,
> therefore the price should directly correlerate to the
> amount of enjoyment derived. I personally have about
> $8,000 invested in my rare '92 ECOdiesel, and I can
> tell you that I've received that much and more out of
> the pleasure she has given me. This Christmas, I'm
> taking her on the longest trip since I drove her back
> from Phoenix: to Georgia and back to visit my fiancee.
> I'm moving there next May, and I'll bring my Jetta
> with me.
>
> Robert
>
> --- Nate Wall <nwall at opei.org> wrote:
> > I was tempted to replace the worn out 1.6 TD in mine
> > w/ a brand spank'in new 1.9
> > TD, but at $3,200+, that seemed a bit much.  Then
> > don't forget the new clutch
> > pack, belts, hoses, etc, things that could add
> > another $200 - $500.
> >
> > I did well to replace the beat 1.6 TD with another
> > (rebuilt) TD, new (rebuilt PP)
> > clutch pack, rebuilt TD injectors, belts, water
> > pump, T-belt tensioner, new
> > injection pump shaft seal. My turbo had about 45,000
> > miles on a rebulit
> > cartridge, so I used it. Hoses looked fine, and I
> > keep an eye on them. All for
> > about $1,200, I guess. That's about a third of going
> > the new 1.9 TD route. For a
> > 20 year old car, that's a good option. If I put a
> > new 1.9 TD in it and wrecked
> > (or got it hit) the car, I'd take a real loss.
> >
> > --Nate
> >
> > <<< They seem
> > to make less mileage than the 1.6 by roughly
> > 7mpg.>>>
> >
> > As miserly as I am, the above would bother me, in
> > addition
> >
> > LBaird119 at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > > Hello to the list- I have a '91 ECO with about
> > 200K it may need rings and
> > > > valves soon. My question is: I could buy a
> > rebuilt 1.6 turbo motor and drop
> > > > it in with the current turbo set-up, or could
> > buy one of the 1.9 NA and put
> > > > that in in it's place. Anybody got any
> > suggestions as to which would be
> > > more
> > > > economical or have more power? I lean toward
> > simplicity (1.9 NA) but also
> > > > like the turbo thingy as well, so....
> > > >
> > >   My first reservation is in buying a "rebuilt"
> > engine.  The tolerances on
> > > these
> > > engines are so tight that most rebuilders are
> > afraid to build them to factory
> > > specs and use larger clearances.  This would
> > shorten the longevity.  :(
> > >   Usually they want to bore the cylinders to over
> > half of the useable
> > > clearance "life."  They may not replace the
> > intermediate shaft bearings.
> > > I'm picky I guess.  :)
> > >   I was able to rebuild a 1.6 TD for about half or
> > less of the cost of a 1.9
> > > including TS rings, Raceware, etc.  Monetarily it
> > wasn't worth the difference
> > > in price but as power hungry as Dad seems to be
> > getting it might have
> > > been better to use the 1.9 TD!  ;-)
> > >   Your Ecco stuff will bolt to another 1.6 or even
> > a 1.5, TD or NA.  I think
> > > the exhaust side bolts up on a 1.9 but not the
> > intake as I recall, unless you
> > > use a 1.6 head arrangement.
> > >   As said, if I was going to go 1.9, go all out
> > and do 1.9 TD.  :)  They seem
> > > to make less mileage than the 1.6 by roughly 7mpg.
> > >      Loren
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