[Vwdiesel] Re: 1.9 vs 1.6 T

[Robert L. Coyle, Jr.]

Since I have previously owned a '97 Jetta with a
factory 1.9TD (Canadian), a '85 Jetta with an
aftermarket 1.9TD (formerly Hayden's), and currently
own a '92 ECOdiesel with a 1.6TD, I am probably
qualified to give you a comparison.

First of all, there is a very noticeable increase in
power with the 1.9TD. Having known only the 1.6NA up
to that point, I was very impressed with the 1.9TD. Of
course, the 1.6 TD in the ECO was also impressive in
its own way, but now that I've dropped the automatic
tranny in, it's a little more sluggish (compared to
the five-speed). Top speed? About 80 in the 1.6, over
120 in the 1.9 (with much more rapid acceleration).

Is the 1.9 worth $3,200? It depends. A lot of
dieseling is pure enjoyment and driving pleasure,
therefore the price should directly correlerate to the
amount of enjoyment derived. I personally have about
$8,000 invested in my rare '92 ECOdiesel, and I can
tell you that I've received that much and more out of
the pleasure she has given me. This Christmas, I'm
taking her on the longest trip since I drove her back
from Phoenix: to Georgia and back to visit my fiancee.
I'm moving there next May, and I'll bring my Jetta
with me.

Robert



--- Nate Wall <nwall at opei.org> wrote:
> I was tempted to replace the worn out 1.6 TD in mine
> w/ a brand spank'in new 1.9
> TD, but at $3,200+, that seemed a bit much.  Then
> don't forget the new clutch
> pack, belts, hoses, etc, things that could add
> another $200 - $500.
>
> I did well to replace the beat 1.6 TD with another
> (rebuilt) TD, new (rebuilt PP)
> clutch pack, rebuilt TD injectors, belts, water
> pump, T-belt tensioner, new
> injection pump shaft seal. My turbo had about 45,000
> miles on a rebulit
> cartridge, so I used it. Hoses looked fine, and I
> keep an eye on them. All for
> about $1,200, I guess. That's about a third of going
> the new 1.9 TD route. For a
> 20 year old car, that's a good option. If I put a
> new 1.9 TD in it and wrecked
> (or got it hit) the car, I'd take a real loss.
>
> --Nate
>
> <<< They seem
> to make less mileage than the 1.6 by roughly
> 7mpg.>>>
>
> As miserly as I am, the above would bother me, in
> addition
>
> LBaird119 at aol.com wrote:
>
> > > Hello to the list- I have a '91 ECO with about
> 200K it may need rings and
> > > valves soon. My question is: I could buy a
> rebuilt 1.6 turbo motor and drop
> > > it in with the current turbo set-up, or could
> buy one of the 1.9 NA and put
> > > that in in it's place. Anybody got any
> suggestions as to which would be
> > more
> > > economical or have more power? I lean toward
> simplicity (1.9 NA) but also
> > > like the turbo thingy as well, so....
> > >
> >   My first reservation is in buying a "rebuilt"
> engine.  The tolerances on
> > these
> > engines are so tight that most rebuilders are
> afraid to build them to factory
> > specs and use larger clearances.  This would
> shorten the longevity.  :(
> >   Usually they want to bore the cylinders to over
> half of the useable
> > clearance "life."  They may not replace the
> intermediate shaft bearings.
> > I'm picky I guess.  :)
> >   I was able to rebuild a 1.6 TD for about half or
> less of the cost of a 1.9
> > including TS rings, Raceware, etc.  Monetarily it
> wasn't worth the difference
> > in price but as power hungry as Dad seems to be
> getting it might have
> > been better to use the 1.9 TD!  ;-)
> >   Your Ecco stuff will bolt to another 1.6 or even
> a 1.5, TD or NA.  I think
> > the exhaust side bolts up on a 1.9 but not the
> intake as I recall, unless you
> > use a 1.6 head arrangement.
> >   As said, if I was going to go 1.9, go all out
> and do 1.9 TD.  :)  They seem
> > to make less mileage than the 1.6 by roughly 7mpg.
> >      Loren
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