[Vwdiesel] Re: stuck injector shield

Wed Aug 13 10:10:14 EDT 2003

I had one of those cars once, soot in the injector threads and a stuck heat
shield, I tried every trick and tool possible (I worked at the VW dealer at
the time, it was a trade in), then gave up and asked for help-take a torch
and heat the shield carefully (don't want to melt anything), fill a bottle
of water and attach a hose to it that you can squeeze with pliers to
regulate flow, let a few drops of water hit the heatshield while hot and it
will break free. This happens from dirty engines and PO not changing the
shields, look closely at the threads for the injector, any cracks?
Greg

>Message: 4
>From: "Will Taygan" <william at taygan.com>
>To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:56:09 -0700
>Subject: [Vwdiesel] help! stuck injector shield
>
>1982 Jetta 1.6L NA
>
>So, I'm trying to figure out what the PO did to this vehicle, the bad
>signs:
>dirty dirty air cleaner (missing a clip-uh oh) water in the fuel filter,
>compression and sounds from the coolant reservior sound like a head gasket.
>
>Injector #4 was so sooty that I could barely get out the injector, black
>crud up to and partially in the threads!  It's got a strange injector
>shield, with a much larger opening, though #3 had the same kind of shield
>(#1,#2 had anti-seize and the smaller opening shields)
>
>THE CURRENT PROBLEM:
>
>I can't get injector shield #4 out of the head and I don't want the break
>anything.  I've soaked it for a week with P'Blaster, and pried some with a
>screwdriver and a bit with a little hook made with a wire.  I'm trying to
>avoid pulling the head until I figure out what else is wrong with the
>vehicle, to determine if it's a parts car or a fixer (like the rusty
>old-style fuse box/realy plate-no headlights).  Any ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Will Taygan
>81 vw diesel pickup
>82 vw diesel jetta
>
>
>
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>Message: 5
>To: william at taygan.com
>Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] help! stuck injector shield
>Reply-To: sorrentino2 at excite.com
>From: "" <sorrentino2 at excite.com>
>Cc: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
>Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:50:51 -0400 (EDT)
>
>
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>  Try looking in Sears hardware, they make a 4-piece handled kit of tools,
>o=
>ne of which is hooked. You can pop iy into the center hole of the shield
>an=
>d remove it. The kit looks like small-handled screwdrivers; one as
>describe=
>d above, another looks like an awl, one is completely curvred at the end,
>a=
>nd I don't remember the fourth's shape. Good luck!--- On Tue 08/12, Will
>Ta=
>ygan &lt; william at taygan.com &gt; wrote:From: Will Taygan [mailto:
>william@=
>taygan.com]To: vwdiesel at vwfans.comDate: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:56:09
>-0700Subj=
>ect: [Vwdiesel] help! stuck injector shield1982 Jetta 1.6L NASo, I'm
>trying=
>  to figure out what the PO did to this vehicle, the bad signs:dirty dirty
>a=
>ir cleaner (missing a clip-uh oh) water in the fuel filter,compression and
>=
>sounds from the coolant reservior sound like a head gasket.Injector #4 was
>=
>so sooty that I could barely get out the injector, blackcrud up to and
>part=
>ially in the threads! It's got a strange injectorshield, with a much
>larger=
>  opening, though #3 had the same kind of shield(#1,#2 had anti-seize and
>th=
>e smaller opening shields)THE CURRENT PROBLEM:I can't get injector shield
>#=
>4 out of the head and I don't want the breakanything. I've soaked it for a
>=
>week with P'Blaster, and pried some with ascrewdriver and a bit with a
>litt=
>le hook made with a wire. I'm trying toavoid pulling the head until I
>figur=
>e out what else is wrong with thevehicle, to determine if it's a parts car
>=
>or a fixer (like the rustyold-style fuse box/realy plate-no headlights).
>An=
>y ideas?Thanks,Will Taygan81 vw diesel pickup82 vw diesel
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>Message: 6
>From: LBaird119 at aol.com
>Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:30:51 EDT
>Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] help! stuck injector shield
>To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
>
>The bigger hole sounds kind of like half of certain Mercedes shields.  I've
>seem
>them that are two parts.  A smaller one fits inside the main outer part.
>Inner
>part missing would sound about like what you describe.  You can try
>cranking
>the engine over.  That often will blow a heat shield across the shop!  Do
>lots
>of scraping around the edge and some tapping around the edge with a good,
>squared punch, just tapping.  You could run a screw or tap into the hole
>and
>then pull or lever it out.  Or try blowing it out again.  Be sure there IS
>a
>heat
>shield in there.  I've seen them where it was hard to tell!
>   No headlights could easily be a bad fuse/relay panel.  I've had one or
>two
>apart to find broken solder joints and fixed them.  Both were the older,
>non-blade fuse type.
>      Loren
>
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>Message: 7
>From: Eyvind Spangen <eyvind.spangen at c2i.net>
>To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
>Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:02:16 +0200
>Reply-To: eyvind.spangen at c2i.net
>Subject: [Vwdiesel] Biodiesel in 80s VW diesel
>
>What modifications do I have to do to run a VW diesel from the 80s on
>biodiesel?
>
>--
>MVH
>Eyvind Spangen
>'94 Audi S4 Avant 4.2 selges:
>http://www.autodb.no/cgi-bin/car/detail.pl?nr=296324
>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:19:59 -0400
>From: "Kenneth E. Oldrid" <koldrid at uvm.edu>
>To: Will Taygan <william at taygan.com>
>Cc: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
>Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] help! stuck injector shield
>
>Hmm,
>I used a heavy duty coat hanger with a hook bent on the end. It was fairly
>sturdy, and allowed a decent amount of pulling force.
>
>Ken
>
> > 1982 Jetta 1.6L NA
> >
> > So, I'm trying to figure out what the PO did to this vehicle, the bad
>signs:
> > dirty dirty air cleaner (missing a clip-uh oh) water in the fuel filter,
> > compression and sounds from the coolant reservior sound like a head
>gasket.
> >
> > Injector #4 was so sooty that I could barely get out the injector, black
> > crud up to and partially in the threads!  It's got a strange injector
> > shield, with a much larger opening, though #3 had the same kind of
>shield
> > (#1,#2 had anti-seize and the smaller opening shields)
> >
> > THE CURRENT PROBLEM:
> >
> > I can't get injector shield #4 out of the head and I don't want the
>break
> > anything.  I've soaked it for a week with P'Blaster, and pried some with
>a
> > screwdriver and a bit with a little hook made with a wire.  I'm trying
>to
> > avoid pulling the head until I figure out what else is wrong with the
> > vehicle, to determine if it's a parts car or a fixer (like the rusty
> > old-style fuse box/realy plate-no headlights).  Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Will Taygan
> > 81 vw diesel pickup
> > 82 vw diesel jetta
> >
> >
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> >
>
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>Message: 9
>From: weasel <weasel1 at sympatico.ca>
>To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>Subject: Re: Re: [Vwdiesel] Simple tune up questions
>Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:34:42 -0400
>
>I thought Amsoil made a 5w40 ... oops.  At least they make a decent diesel
>=
>rated oil.  As far as Delvac goes, there have been reports of Wal-Marts in
>=
>the USA selling it, just not everywhere.  Most people have to order it or
>f=
>ind it at truck stops.
>
>On air filters, there has really been no conclusive proof that a high flow
>=
>air filter will cause turbo or MAF failure.  Any impeller damage I saw was
>=
>due to improper installation of the air filter and that allowed unfiltered
>=
>air to enter the air stream.  ( I have had a K&N filter on my car since I
>g=
>ot it @ 93K.  It now has 230K and the impeller still looks just like new.
>)=
>As far as I know there have been equal failures of the MAF for those with
>a=
>nd those without paper filters.  The MAF's are just crappy.  On thing
>thoug=
>h, don't over oil the filters or you'll definitely have MAF problems ...
> >
> > From: "Perry Jones" <perry.d.jones at verizon.net>
> > Date: 2003/08/11 Mon PM 11:45:36 EST
> > To: "Derek" <weasel1 at sympatico.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Simple tune up questions
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Derek" <weasel1 at sympatico.ca>
> > To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Simple tune up questions
> >
> >
> > > Well first thing, the dealer should not be using 5w30.  They use a
>"made
> > for
> > > them only" 5w40 ( Castrol )  Its decent oil, but there is better.  For
>=
>me,
> > I
> > > use Petro Can 5w40.  Damned good oil and hard to beat the price.
>Other
> > > excellent oils would be Delvac 1 ( sold at most Wal-Marts ),
> >
> > Maybe in Canada; I've never seen it at a Wal-Mart in the USA.
> >
> > Valvoline
> > > premium blue ( 5w40 ) and Amsoil 5w40.
> >
> > Maybe there is something new I don't know about, but Amsoil has never
>mad=
>e a
> > diesel 5W-40 oil.  They have a 5W-30 and a 10W-40.  A 5W-40 seems to be
>m=
>ost
> > recommended, hence Delvac 1, although the Shell Rotella (which is
>availab=
>le
> > at Wal-Mart) is a CI-4 rated oil (just doesn't test as well as the
>Delvac=
>)=2E
> > If you're in Canada, or if you can get it, use the Petro, which is also
>t=
>op
> > grade.
> >
> >
> >  Air filters are another point of
> > > debate.  Adding a high flow one ( such as K&N or a PiperCross ) won't
>a=
>dd
> > > any HP, but will decrease the spool up time of the turbo.
> >
> > Best info on this is to stay with paper.  The others will cause problems
> > with your turbo and MAF.  There has been extensive discussion and
>research
> > on this on Fred's.
> >
> > Perry
> >
> >  Personally I
> > > think that any reduction of stress on the turbo is a good thing and
>tha=
>t's
> > > why I have a K&N.  Clean it about once a year and life's good.  I
>change
> > my
> > > oil every 10K(ilometers).  Other than that, get some good fuel
>additives
> > and
> > > your engine will long outlive the body of that car !
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Davis" <johnd at rocketmail.com>
> > > To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:57 AM
> > > Subject: [Vwdiesel] Simple tune up questions
> > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
> >
> >
>
>
>
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