[Vwdiesel] Re: muffler and exhaust

Fri Jun 20 12:09:05 EDT 2003

Hi Guys
I have an 87 Jetta na 1.6 with no muffler, it is great. I put a new factory
down pipe and a Golf center pipe (no resonator), then a used TD over axle
pipe and a 2" Cherry Bomb resonator (straight through with louvres around
the outer diameter-probably filled with soot now) with a straigh tail pipe.
Throttle response is WAY better and top speed went up 10mph. Yes, it is
pretty loud but nowhere near biker levels. Fuel econmy also went up. I love
driving beside those rice cars in a beater diesel with that exhaust, they
really wonder....
Greg

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>    1. RE: mufflerectomy, postscript (Michael Hitchings)
>    2. 1.9NA Diesel oil fill amount? (jon)
>    3. RE: 1.9NA Diesel oil fill amount? (Arthur Sauerhaft)
>    4. sudden clatter (Arthur Sauerhaft)
>    5. Re: 1.9NA Diesel oil fill amount? (TexasTDI)
>    6. Re: mufflerectomy, postscript (LBaird119 at aol.com)
>    7. Re: loud exhaust (Dan MacArthur)
>    8. Re: Re: loud exhaust (TexasTDI)
>    9. Re: Re: loud exhaust (LBaird119 at aol.com)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:37:44 -0400
>From: Michael Hitchings <mhitchings at yahoo.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] mufflerectomy, postscript
>To: "'Doyt W. Echelberger'" <Doyt at NWOnline.Net>
>Cc: vwdiesel at audifans.com
>
>Doyt,
>
>Maybe I will see if I can secure a nice modern/smaller/lighter muffler
>in its place if I decide to go with one. Like I said to Nate, I will try
>some different things and see what I get...all after I get through
>inspection so I can get my plates and get this thing on the road and
>going!!!
>
>Mikey
>
>______________________________________________________
>
>Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, mechanics
>German, the lovers French and it is all organized by the Swiss. .
>
>Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics
>French, the lovers Swiss and it is all organized by the Italians.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Doyt W. Echelberger [mailto:Doyt at NWOnline.Net]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:24 PM
>To: Michael Hitchings
>Cc: vwdiesel at audifans.com
>Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] mufflerectomy, postscript
>
>I read over the several posts on this topic, and realized that no one
>has
>commented on one of the advantages of getting rid of the rear muffler:
>It
>is a huge, heavy chunk of hollow steel which hangs there on bouncy
>little
>rubber bands that break about every six months. And because of its
>weight
>and the diesel vibration, it is prone to cracking its inlet and outlet
>pipes where they attached. When I took it off and carried it to the
>garage,
>I was surprised at how heavy that whole thing was. The car handled
>better
>when it was gone. And the engine ran better without it's restriction.
>Mine
>was the original muffler, 18 years old. It never rusted out but its
>pipes
>cracked off several times. A real boat anchor, amazingly durable.
>
>Certainly there is a lighter way (or even multiple ways) to reduce the
>exhaust noise, and whatever you use can be placed in locations that
>won't
>wiggle the tail of the car like a trailer on a semi.
>
>Doyt
>
>  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>At 06:08 AM 6/17/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >Doyt,
> >
> >Thanks for the info. I have a muffler on there right now but the pipe
>is
> >looking like it may die soon. In fact, I had a section fall off (from
> >the toilet bowl to where it goes under the car on my 1.6NA) when I
>towed
> >it home. That's in the passenger seat right now!!!
> >
> >I think I can deal with a little noise like you describe. I can put a
> >cheap Autozone chrome downpipe tip on it to keep the total noise down,
> >especially in my neighborhood.
> >
> >
> >Mikey
> >
> >______________________________________________________
> >
> >Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, mechanics
> >German, the lovers French and it is all organized by the Swiss. .
> >
> >Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics
> >French, the lovers Swiss and it is all organized by the Italians.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Doyt W. Echelberger [mailto:Doyt at NWOnline.Net]
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:13 AM
> >To: Michael Hitchings
> >Cc: vwdiesel at audifans.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] mufflerectomy
> >
> >I'm running my 85 Jetta TD with a straight pipe, and what Loren sez is
> >true
> >of my car, also. If I had it to do over, I'd probably put a small
> >silencer/glasspack about the middle of the system, to soften that
> >BRRRRAAAAAPPPPP that I get when I wind up through the gears with a
>heavy
> >
> >foot. Or maybe just put a deflector on the tail pipe, to direct the
> >sound
> >toward the ground.
> >
> >You can hear the straight pipe a block away when you get on the pedal,
> >but
> >from inside the car it isn't very noticeable. The sound is blasting out
> >the
> >tailpipe, at whatever is behind the car.....that is where you hear it.
> >That
> >may be where to soften it.
> >
> >Doyt   in Ohio   USA
> >
> >  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >At 09:28 AM 6/16/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > >--
> > >[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > >
> > >I probably missed this when it's been talked about before but....
> > >
> > >On my newly acquired TD (circa '86), if I run a muffler-less exhaust,
> >will
> > >it be too loud for my neighbors or will it be similar to a TDI
> >(increase
> > >in the turbo whistle, but not increased engine sound)?  I know the
> >turbo
> > >acts like a muffler to an extent, but I want to try some stuff...all
> >w/o
> > >totally ticking off my neighbors (nice suburban subdivision).
> > >
> > >Mikey
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >If it ain't broken, still fix it!!!
> > >
> > >
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>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:33:16 -0700 (PDT)
>From: jon <jon at kenneke.com>
>Cc: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
>Subject: [Vwdiesel] 1.9NA Diesel oil fill amount?
>
>
>Hey folks, I just changed oil in my new 1.9NA Diesel after about 1000
>miles (I know, 500 would be better on a new engine). Well, I can't seem to
>find the oil fill amount for 1.9NA Diesel (with Vanagon pan) anywhere. I
>put in 5 quarts, and that seems about right on the dipstick. I know the
>1.6NA diesel vanagon engines use 4.2 Quarts.
>
>So, does any on know what the proper fill amount is? I question the
>accuracy of my dip stick (which is from the 1.6NA).
>
>Thanks,
>Jon
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>From: "Arthur Sauerhaft" <kivka at earthlink.net>
>To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] 1.9NA Diesel oil fill amount?
>Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:45:41 -0400
>
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>I replaced the hard lines in my 1.9 na type aaz engine today (vanagon). One
>had started spraying last week so I replaced them all with new lines from
>Overland designed for the 1.9.
>
>As soon as I start up there is a noticeable amount of loud clatter that
>does
>not go away, it did get slightly quieter, and there was loss of power as
>well,
>
>I remain dumfounded as to what could have caused this problem. My mechanic
>only got as far as checking the injectors today and will hopefully have
>some
>idea in the afternoon, in the meantime I'm going crazy trying to figure
>this
>one out, could I have possibly damaged valves? The engine has only 3100 mi
>on it and was running well.
>
>Please help set my mind at ease,
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Arthur
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
>From: "Arthur Sauerhaft" <kivka at earthlink.net>
>To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:48:40 -0400
>Subject: [Vwdiesel] sudden clatter
>
>
>SORRY FOR THE INCORRECT SUBJECT IN MY LAST POST
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>I replaced the hard lines in my 1.9 na type aaz engine today (vanagon). One
>had started spraying last week so I replaced them all with new lines from
>Overland designed for the 1.9.
>
>As soon as I start up there is a noticeable amount of loud clatter that
>does
>not go away, it did get slightly quieter, and there was loss of power as
>well,
>
>I remain dumfounded as to what could have caused this problem. My mechanic
>only got as far as checking the injectors today and will hopefully have
>some
>idea in the afternoon, in the meantime I'm going crazy trying to figure
>this
>one out, could I have possibly damaged valves? The engine has only 3100 mi
>on it and was running well.
>
>Please help set my mind at ease,
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Arthur
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 5
>From: "TexasTDI" <TexasVWdriver at hotmail.com>
>To: "jon" <jon at kenneke.com>
>Cc: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] 1.9NA Diesel oil fill amount?
>Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:59:52 -0600
>
>The 1.6D NA holds 4.5 quarts.
>
>Chris Thornton
>1991 VW Jetta 2 Door 1.6 Diesel - 237k miles
>2000 VW Golf 1.9TDI (turbo diesel) - 82k miles
>Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants Dealer #1098500
>http://www.amsoil.com
>http://texastdi.com/6/ubb.x
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "jon" <jon at kenneke.com>
>Cc: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:33 PM
>Subject: [Vwdiesel] 1.9NA Diesel oil fill amount?
>
>
> >
> > Hey folks, I just changed oil in my new 1.9NA Diesel after about 1000
> > miles (I know, 500 would be better on a new engine). Well, I can't seem
>to
> > find the oil fill amount for 1.9NA Diesel (with Vanagon pan) anywhere. I
> > put in 5 quarts, and that seems about right on the dipstick. I know the
> > 1.6NA diesel vanagon engines use 4.2 Quarts.
> >
> > So, does any on know what the proper fill amount is? I question the
> > accuracy of my dip stick (which is from the 1.6NA).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jon
>
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>
>Message: 6
>From: LBaird119 at aol.com
>Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:32:39 EDT
>Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] mufflerectomy, postscript
>To: vwdiesel at audifans.com
>
>   We did an early 80's colt exhaust once in an experimental mode.  First
>we
>replaced the rear muffler with a same-length glass pack.  It was too noisy.
>The cats were damaged from burning oil so we put another of the same
>where the rear cat had been.  Quite nice!  A little brappy if you got on it
>but his Dad drove VERY softly so it was actually as quiet or quieter than
>original.  :)
>   I've thought of doing a Flowmaster on the Rabbit when I do it.  The same
>friend had a Dynomax put on his Subaru though and it was really quiet
>except for a VERY low, deep rumble that you felt more than heard.  It'd
>set off car alarms but was still quiet.  :)
>      Loren
>
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>
>Message: 7
>Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:25:42 -0700
>To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
>From: Dan MacArthur <dmacarthur at igc.org>
>Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: loud exhaust
>
>I second completely what Harmon said re: loud exhausts: I think that local
>=
>towns should set up a roadblock during the bike weeks and rake in the
>fines=
>  for illegal (yes, illegal John Ashcroft) mufflers on Harleys and others.
>D=
>o we have any other set of laws we so commonly ignore? Clattering as quiet
>=
>as possible (and an old BMW motorcycle as well),... Dan.
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 8
>From: "TexasTDI" <TexasVWdriver at hotmail.com>
>To: "Dan MacArthur" <dmacarthur at igc.org>
>Cc: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Re: loud exhaust
>Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:58:12 -0600
>
>CA is very strict on loud exhausts.  They have laws on the books that say
>if
>an exhaust is louder than a certain decibel, you can be ticketed.  This
>stems from all the ricers using those "fart cannon" exhausts.
>
>Chris Thornton
>1991 VW Jetta 2 Door 1.6 Diesel - 237k miles
>2000 VW Golf 1.9TDI (turbo diesel) - 82k miles
>Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants Dealer #1098500
>http://www.amsoil.com
>http://texastdi.com/6/ubb.x
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dan MacArthur" <dmacarthur at igc.org>
>To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:25 AM
>Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: loud exhaust
>
>
>I second completely what Harmon said re: loud exhausts: I think that local
>towns should set up a roadblock during the bike weeks and rake in the fines
>for illegal (yes, illegal John Ashcroft) mufflers on Harleys and others. Do
>we have any other set of laws we so commonly ignore? Clattering as quiet as
>possible (and an old BMW motorcycle as well),... Dan.
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 9
>From: LBaird119 at aol.com
>Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:06:51 EDT
>Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Re: loud exhaust
>To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
>
> > Do we have any other set of laws we so commonly ignore?
>
>   Uh, yeah.  Gun laws.  That's why there are so many of them and they
>keep expanding to infringe on the rights of the law abiding.  That's the
>problem with a lot of "noise ordinances."  I agree there's not much that's
>more annoying than a motorcycle (usually a Harley) with 2' of straight
>pipe blatting past you on a nice day.  Rolling the windows up doesn't
>really help!
>   We had a noise ordinance or two locally that the first time I read it, I
>knew it'd never stand.  It stated that if whatever could be heard at some
>distance then it was citable.  Problem was, from what I remember in
>driver's training, your car horn was not legal unless it could be heard
>BEYOND that distance.  ;-)  Oops.  It also outlawed lawn mowers, loud
>talking, a dog bark and so on. Wind is also a big factor.  The only thing
>that'd make sense is dB's at a close distance.  Other than the bikes we
>don't see much muffler noise here and really it's quite rare from the
>bikes.
>   There's the boom-boom kids but I have to say I hate the laws they try
>to come up with against them more than I hate the boom-boom stereos.  :(
>      Loren
>
>
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