[Vwdiesel] new SS dual exhaust for my Jetta TD

Area31 Research Facility stephensrw at stn.net
Tue Jul 5 20:42:59 EDT 2005 

Gary,

My homebrew stainless mufflers (2) are perfect and did not cost me much cash
outlay, mostly just time and effort.  My mufflers weigh less than anything
commercial that I looked at too! I do not have any money to buy mufflers
with all the other demands on my extremely limited financial resources.

I drove the car with the open pipes out the back and did not like the sound.

Thanx,
DIY Rob

----- Original Message -----
From: "gary" <gbangs at cfl.rr.com>
To: "Area31 Research Facility" <stephensrw at stn.net>
Cc: "VWDiesel" <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] new SS dual exhaust for my Jetta TD


> Hmmm,
> With a turbo, you don't need much, if at all, any muffler. I took the
> muffler off of my Quantum TD and there was no change in noise level with
> normal driving. Even when driving "spirited", the sound was more than
> pleasant. But that said, how about a small Flowmaster? They are
> available for about $80. I don't think you can get much freer flowing
> than that. I plan on going this route on my NA pickup.
>
> -Gary
>
>
> On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 13:54 -0400, Area31 Research Facility wrote:
> >
> >  Bryan, All,
> >
> >  I gave up trying to find some commercially available mufflers with low
back
> >  pressure that were within my budget so I ended up making a pair of 6"
> >  diameter and 16" long stainless steel glasspacks (rock wool filling).
> >  Thrush Turbos at $50 each  were about as expensive as I could afford
and
> >  they are too restrictive.  The Dynomax are twice the price of the cheap
> >  Thrush so those were out.  My own design is extremely low back
pressure,
> >  much lower than the Dynomax I'm sure and employs an absorber only along
one
> >  half of the cylinder rather than completely circumferential inside
around a
> >  central tube like in commercial glasspacks. Mine have no central tube.
Now
> >  the entire exhaust system is stainless from the toilet bowl flange to
the
> >  dress tips under the rear bumper.  I just took it for a spin after
hanging
> >  the mufflers this morning and it is nice and quiet.  At idle I get good
> > flow
> >  balance from both outputs and the entire system appears to develop
enough
> >  heat to at least bake dry in the summer during use.  I am very pleased
with
> >  the result.
> >
> >  It took me more than four full shop days to fabricate this system. The
> >  stainless cost me nothing, came from salvage from the landfil site
stored
> >  for several years awaiting a project.  Hangers and clamps (not
stainless)
> >  cost about $12,  and welding and grinding materials and energy probably
> >  didn't cost more than about $100, so for a complete, over the axle dual
> >  stainless exhaust I'm doing just fine..
> >
> >  I asked if someone might like to post my pics.  No-one responded.  I
will
> >  gladly send pics by private email to anyone who requests them.  I
haven't
> >  got any yet though but should have in a couple of days.
> >
> >  BTW, addressing Bryan's last comment.  In a turbo system I do not see
how
> >  any backpressure beyond minimally achievable due to necessary piping
would
> >  be desireable.  It would only rob power from the turbocharger.
> >
> >  Rob
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "82 Diesel Westy" <dieselwesty at yahoo.com>
> > > To: "Area31 Research Facility" <stephensrw at stn.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:54 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] new SS dual exhaust for my Jetta TD
> > >
> > >
> > > > Sounds like a wild job you did, any pictures Rob,
> > > > can't quite picture a dual exhaust system weld job in
> > > > my head.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Bryan
> > > > Most of the vanagon guys with the AAZ 1.9TD motors
> > > > have only 1 muffler or none at all, the turbo does
> > > > most of the work.  They use a turbo strait muffler as
> > > > well, work great and does provide some back pressure.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Area31 Research Facility <stephensrw at stn.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I am in the quest for better fuel economy and more
> > > > > power.
> > > > >
> > > > > Back pressure and exhaust system rust-out is now a
> > > > > problem in the past tense
> > > > > for my '91 turbo diesel Jetta.  I just spent the
> > > > > past two days beating
> > > > > myself up fabricating a trick, cutom fit, over the
> > > > > rear axle, true dual
> > > > > 1-7/8" exhaust system.  Both pipes begin at the
> > > > > bigger now than stock hole
> > > > > in the spring clamped stainless funnel flange at the
> > > > > engine.  It is two
> > > > > independent, parallel 1-7/8" O.D. , 1/16" wall
> > > > > thickness stainless pipe runs
> > > > > all the way to the back where a corvair 2" x 2"
> > > > > turbocharger reverse flow
> > > > > muffler will go where the original muffler was on
> > > > > one run and the second
> > > > > turbo muffler will be mounted 90 degrees to the
> > > > > direction of the car and
> > > > > behind the spare tire well feeding a second exhaust
> > > > > pipe outlet on the other
> > > > > side of the rear where there was a dress cover
> > > > > hiding a pull point.  All
> > > > > bends are weld on, constant cross section pieces.
> > > > > This exhaust system would
> > > > > have cost more than the car is worth if I had had a
> > > > > professional shop make
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > No mufflers on it yet (auto parts stores are closed
> > > > > today)but because of the
> > > > > turbocharger it is quiet enough to drive.  Shame I
> > > > > cannot get a half size
> > > > > turbocharger muffler.  I don't need much quieting.
> > > > > With the turbo mufflers
> > > > > I expect I will have surely reduced back pressure on
> > > > > the turbocharger to
> > > > > just 20% of what it was stock.  There was a
> > > > > resonator muffler in the middle
> > > > > of the exhaust pipe tunnel ahead of the muffler.  It
> > > > > had a through cross
> > > > > section of less than 1-1/2".  It is gonzo.
> > > > >
> > > > > This was a very horrible job and my poor body needs
> > > > > to heal.  Burns, cuts
> > > > > and bruises.  It would be soooo nice to own a hoist!
> > > > >  I went stainless
> > > > > because I NEVER want to have to fabricate another
> > > > > custom dual exhaust system
> > > > > for this car ever!!!!!!  Around here a normal steel
> > > > > exhaust system lasts
> > > > > maybe two years with all the salt they put on the
> > > > > roads.
> > > > >
> > > > > I should put this exhaust system in my Will. ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > Rob
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bryan Belman, Pt Pleasant, NJ
> > > > 04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp
> > > > Rebuilding 82 Diesel Weekender from my old rusty 82 Westy 1.9NA
> > > > 90 Audi 200, 2.3L Turbo FWD
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> > > >
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