[Vwdiesel] Canola oil

Tue May 17 09:58:23 EDT 2005

I am by no means a Canola (Canadian Oil)  expert nor do I know the cost of 
making it, but,,

Two weeks ago at a  local grocery store, they  had a weekly  special on 
Canola oil. 12 liters (a case) for $8 bucks Canadian. My wife bought two 
cases for me. (there was a 2 case limit) That ends up to be .66 cents a 
liter. The cost of diesel at the pump is .84-88 cents a liter. So I wonder 
if the grocery store took a loss to sell it, or ,  if you buy Canola oil in 
large quantities you can get it for this price.

Maybe some one needs to create a Canola oil  co-op and buy large amounts. 
Can Canola oil be bought in 50 gallon drums ? I wonder if it would be worth 
while to check with a commercial restaurant food supplier ?  Has anybody 
looked into this, before I go off duplicating effort ?

Comments anyone ?

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's 
character, give him power.

Abraham Lincoln

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>Put your trust in Michael Moore?
>You may not want to repeat much of what he spouts, as there tends to be a
>conflict between fact and sensation.
>
>As a complainer that biofuel at present cannot be competitive, I would
>suggest you need to look at the prices of vegetable oil in the world 
>market,
>just like crude oil, it is a traded commodity.
>
>Coincidentally, I just came in from seeding Canola.  I do this stuff for a
>living, and dude, I do not have blinders on.  NOBODY knows better than a
>farmer how much money you can lose in a year when commodity prices go 
>south,
>or how little value gets assigned to a commodity by idealists unless they
>are actually engaged in production of the commodity.  As to the fuel issue,
>Canola is 40% oil at crush, slightly dependant on growing conditions. Yield
>is around 10-2400lb/acre of seed. density of canola oil vares around
>.92g/cm3  Cost of production is $175.00 to $200 per acre, exclusive of
>profit. I don't work for free, as there is an investment cost of over a
>million dollars on a grain farm in capital assets, machinery, and operating
>budget, and then there is my wage as well.  Squeezing the oil out of the
>seed involves another 30-40$/ Tonne of seed.  You need to produce,
>transport, store, and distribute.  Now you are equipped to do the math.
>
>At present, it is not profitable to take oil that is used for cooking oil,
>and use it for Bio-D. THere is a net loss, unless you want to redirect your
>military budget to me that is... that being the case, you better get the
>storage tanks ready.
>
>Yes, wars are obscenely expensive. Sad.
>I still favor "world leaders" duking it out in the ring, or shotguns at
>fifty paces as opposed to sending everyone else's kids out to do it for 
>them
>over nothing.
>-James
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com]On
>Behalf Of Area31 Research Facility
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 8:08 AM
>To: Chris Collin; vwdiesel at vwfans.com
>Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] (Fwd) Another way to do it... (NVC)
>
>
>Well I guess we are all DOOMED then aren't we?!
>
>At some point we have to seriously stop this nonsense and look at the big
>picture.  Putting obscene profits in the pockets of an elite few (Michael
>Moore showed us who some of them are) at the expense of all else and
>humankind's very survival with some sort of quality of life is at stake
>here!
>
>I'm a little disapointesd but not surprised with the replies that my 
>comment
>about becoming self sufficient in agricultural fuel has inspired here.  Not
>one of them that complained that the cost of the fuel would not be
>competitive has calculated what the savings would be not being in this war
>or that!  Wars are obscenely expensive and that is a very real integral 
>part
>of the cost of the present fuel supply.  You have to take off your blinders
>and look at the big picture here folks, big picture.
>
>Rob
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Collin" <rangerdanger_svo at yahoo.com>
>To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 9:38 AM
>Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] (Fwd) Another way to do it... (NVC)
>
>
> > I remember reading somewhere that there is not enough cropland
> > in the world to supply ourdemand for fuel, and then what would we
> > eat?  It was disheartening to read, but it kind of makes sense when
> > you think about how many millions of years of biomass went into
> > making the earth's petroleum deposits, and how relatively few years
> > will go into depleting these same deposits.  I think we should keep
> > this biofuel thing a secret just between us!  ;)
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Mary Beth and Chris Geiser <geiser at execpc.com> wrote:
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com] 
>On
> > Behalf Of Area31 Research Facility
> > >
> > >The United States has the farmland, the sunshine and the technological
> > >knowhow to become completely energy self-dependent growing fuel oil. I
> > >don't know why they don't. It would create domestic jobs, improve the
> > >economy, improve air quality and stop the need for many foreign wars 
>and
> > >American soldiers coming home in body bags. Unlike mideastern oil which
> > >will soon run out, this would be a renewable resource.
> > >
> > >Rob
> >
> >
> > This is true until you figure in the petroleum based fertilizers needed 
>to
> > maintain the soil. Still, there are much better plants that could be
> > grown to produce oil more efficiently than the corn / wheat base we
>produce
> > now. Still not quite economically feasible yet - maybe next year...
> >
> > Chris
> >
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