[Vwdiesel] Canola oil

Tue May 17 10:18:22 EDT 2005

Good question... I will check it out at work. We buy it in 5 gallon pails for 400 hungry 
kids who like french fries...
I was planning to get the used stuff for free, but I'll see what it's worth new. :-)

On 17 May 2005 at 9:58, Tony Boucher <cdn_borne at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I am by no means a Canola (Canadian Oil)  expert nor do I know the cost of
> making it, but,,
> 
> Two weeks ago at a  local grocery store, they  had a weekly  special on 
> Canola oil. 12 liters (a case) for $8 bucks Canadian. My wife bought two 
> cases for me. (there was a 2 case limit) That ends up to be .66 cents a 
> liter. The cost of diesel at the pump is .84-88 cents a liter. So I wonder if
> the grocery store took a loss to sell it, or ,  if you buy Canola oil in large
> quantities you can get it for this price.
> 
> Maybe some one needs to create a Canola oil  co-op and buy large amounts. 
> Can Canola oil be bought in 50 gallon drums ? I wonder if it would be worth
> while to check with a commercial restaurant food supplier ?  Has anybody looked
> into this, before I go off duplicating effort ?
> 
> Comments anyone ?
> 
> 
> 
> Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's 
> character, give him power.
> 
> Abraham Lincoln
> 
> 
> 
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> >Put your trust in Michael Moore?
> >You may not want to repeat much of what he spouts, as there tends to be a
> >conflict between fact and sensation.
> >
> >As a complainer that biofuel at present cannot be competitive, I would
> >suggest you need to look at the prices of vegetable oil in the world 
> >market,
> >just like crude oil, it is a traded commodity.
> >
> >Coincidentally, I just came in from seeding Canola.  I do this stuff for a
> >living, and dude, I do not have blinders on.  NOBODY knows better than a farmer
> >how much money you can lose in a year when commodity prices go south, or how
> >little value gets assigned to a commodity by idealists unless they are actually
> >engaged in production of the commodity.  As to the fuel issue, Canola is 40%
> >oil at crush, slightly dependant on growing conditions. Yield is around
> >10-2400lb/acre of seed. density of canola oil vares around .92g/cm3  Cost of
> >production is $175.00 to $200 per acre, exclusive of profit. I don't work for
> >free, as there is an investment cost of over a million dollars on a grain farm
> >in capital assets, machinery, and operating budget, and then there is my wage
> >as well.  Squeezing the oil out of the seed involves another 30-40$/ Tonne of
> >seed.  You need to produce, transport, store, and distribute.  Now you are
> >equipped to do the math.
> >
> >At present, it is not profitable to take oil that is used for cooking oil, and
> >use it for Bio-D. THere is a net loss, unless you want to redirect your
> >military budget to me that is... that being the case, you better get the
> >storage tanks ready.
> >
> >Yes, wars are obscenely expensive. Sad.
> >I still favor "world leaders" duking it out in the ring, or shotguns at
> >fifty paces as opposed to sending everyone else's kids out to do it for 
> >them
> >over nothing.
> >-James
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com]On
> >Behalf Of Area31 Research Facility
> >Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 8:08 AM
> >To: Chris Collin; vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] (Fwd) Another way to do it... (NVC)
> >
> >
> >Well I guess we are all DOOMED then aren't we?!
> >
> >At some point we have to seriously stop this nonsense and look at the big
> >picture.  Putting obscene profits in the pockets of an elite few (Michael
> >Moore showed us who some of them are) at the expense of all else and
> >humankind's very survival with some sort of quality of life is at stake
> >here!
> >
> >I'm a little disapointesd but not surprised with the replies that my 
> >comment
> >about becoming self sufficient in agricultural fuel has inspired here.  Not one
> >of them that complained that the cost of the fuel would not be competitive has
> >calculated what the savings would be not being in this war or that!  Wars are
> >obscenely expensive and that is a very real integral part of the cost of the
> >present fuel supply.  You have to take off your blinders and look at the big
> >picture here folks, big picture.
> >
> >Rob
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Chris Collin" <rangerdanger_svo at yahoo.com>
> >To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> >Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 9:38 AM
> >Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] (Fwd) Another way to do it... (NVC)
> >
> >
> > > I remember reading somewhere that there is not enough cropland
> > > in the world to supply ourdemand for fuel, and then what would we
> > > eat?  It was disheartening to read, but it kind of makes sense when
> > > you think about how many millions of years of biomass went into
> > > making the earth's petroleum deposits, and how relatively few years
> > > will go into depleting these same deposits.  I think we should keep
> > > this biofuel thing a secret just between us!  ;)
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > Mary Beth and Chris Geiser <geiser at execpc.com> wrote:
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com] 
> >On
> > > Behalf Of Area31 Research Facility
> > > >
> > > >The United States has the farmland, the sunshine and the technological
> > > >knowhow to become completely energy self-dependent growing fuel oil. I
> > > >don't know why they don't. It would create domestic jobs, improve the
> > > >economy, improve air quality and stop the need for many foreign wars 
> >and
> > > >American soldiers coming home in body bags. Unlike mideastern oil which
> > > >will soon run out, this would be a renewable resource.
> > > >
> > > >Rob
> > >
> > >
> > > This is true until you figure in the petroleum based fertilizers needed 
> >to
> > > maintain the soil. Still, there are much better plants that could be
> > > grown to produce oil more efficiently than the corn / wheat base we
> >produce
> > > now. Still not quite economically feasible yet - maybe next year...
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
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