[Vwdiesel] Hydrogen power

[Shirley, Mark R]

That website doesn't say anything constructive.  Only 
vague references to "partnerships" and "r+d".

I'm an engineer by trade.  Give me some numbers to work
with, or go home.  Propoganda means nothing to me.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: rod welch [mailto:rod.welch at kolumbus.fi]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:59 AM
> To: Shirley, Mark R; 'Sandy Cameron'; vwdiesel at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] Hydrogen power
> 
> 
> 
> Oh...Oh...  are we having too much fun??
> 
> But you should do some serious reading...  try
> http://www.h2foresight.info/index.htm for a start.
> 
> Here (in Finland) anyway they are using fuel cells (11kg) to 
> run scooters
> and boats already, I mean nothing is for free in this world 
> is it? and we
> are talking about Zero emissions and water as a waste product...
> 
> Rod
> Värtsilä
> Finland  
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shirley, Mark R [mailto:MarkRShirley at eaton.com] 
> Sent: 17 May 2005 16:58
> To: Sandy Cameron; vwdiesel at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] Hydrogen power
> 
> Thank you Sandy, for saving me from having a meltdown and spending
> lots of time compiling an email that would cause heartburn....  :)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sandy Cameron [mailto:scameron at compmore.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:09 PM
> > To: vwdiesel at audifans.com
> > Subject: [Vwdiesel] Hydrogen power
> > 
> > 
> > At 04:02 PM 5/17/05 +0300, you wrote:
> > >
> > >C'mon guys... get real...   diesels are following 
> > dinosaurs....  (just like
> > >gassers...)   Hydrogen is the only way to go. 
> > >I seem to remember making it at school...  Water, battery, 
> > match, bang....
> > >Something like that...
> > 
> > Who made and charged the battery???
> > 
> > Another case of impaired vision, and an entropy-burdened myth 
> > foisted by
> > politicians and market sensitive industrialists who depend on 
> > our ignorance
> > to profit.
> > 
> > There's no loose hydrogen to be captured or stolen on this 
> > planet, and it
> > takes more energy to release it from water than you will get 
> > from using it.
> > (process losses.)
> > 
> > Hydrogen is only useful for rocket science, and costs 
> > millions to produce.
> > 
> > [Rant Off]
> > 
> > Sandy
> > 
> > 
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