http://www.h2foresight.info/S_E%20Thor_Hydrogen_Avaition_v4.pdf
http://www.h2foresight.info/%C4ets%E4_Hydrogen_Village.pdf
http://www.electrolysers.com/
(look at the technical data and maybe Mark can work out how much h2 can be
made from a lightning bolt..)
>I don't think you can legitimately compare the Socialist European
economy with the US Free-Market based economy(though, semi-socialist in
some areas).
-Gary
and Gary........ please don't start mixing politics and religion!!!!!
Rod
Värtsilä
Finland
-----Original Message-----
From: Area31 Research Facility [mailto:stephensrw at stn.net]
Sent: 19 May 2005 07:05
To: Todd Osterbrink; vwdiesel at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Hydrogen power
That is kinda like why hydrogen works so well in ballons used for lifting
where you want to fill the baloon with as close to nothing as you can get!
Rob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Osterbrink" <tosterbrink at verizon.net>
To: <vwdiesel at audifans.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Hydrogen power
Was reading something about the great late Clarence Kelly and his amazing
SR-71 Black Bird. During it's design phase, they thought about powering it
with Hydrogen.
That plan fissled when they found out it would take a plane with a fuel tank
the size of a football field to do the job! Turns out Hydrogen doesn't have
enough energy per unit of measure and it would take 3 to 4 times the amount
of Hydrogen to equal the energy in a given amount of JP-7.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rod welch" <rod.welch at kolumbus.fi>
To: "'Shirley, Mark R'" <MarkRShirley at eaton.com>; "'Sandy Cameron'"
<scameron at compmore.net>; <vwdiesel at audifans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] Hydrogen power
Oh...Oh... are we having too much fun??
But you should do some serious reading... try
http://www.h2foresight.info/index.htm for a start.
Here (in Finland) anyway they are using fuel cells (11kg) to run scooters
and boats already, I mean nothing is for free in this world is it? and we
are talking about Zero emissions and water as a waste product...
Rod
Värtsilä
Finland
-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley, Mark R [mailto:MarkRShirley at eaton.com]
Sent: 17 May 2005 16:58
To: Sandy Cameron; vwdiesel at audifans.com
Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] Hydrogen power
Thank you Sandy, for saving me from having a meltdown and spending
lots of time compiling an email that would cause heartburn.... :)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandy Cameron [mailto:scameron at compmore.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:09 PM
> To: vwdiesel at audifans.com
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Hydrogen power
>
>
> At 04:02 PM 5/17/05 +0300, you wrote:
> >
> >C'mon guys... get real... diesels are following
> dinosaurs.... (just like
> >gassers...) Hydrogen is the only way to go.
> >I seem to remember making it at school... Water, battery,
> match, bang....
> >Something like that...
>
> Who made and charged the battery???
>
> Another case of impaired vision, and an entropy-burdened myth
> foisted by
> politicians and market sensitive industrialists who depend on
> our ignorance
> to profit.
>
> There's no loose hydrogen to be captured or stolen on this
> planet, and it
> takes more energy to release it from water than you will get
> from using it.
> (process losses.)
>
> Hydrogen is only useful for rocket science, and costs
> millions to produce.
>
> [Rant Off]
>
> Sandy
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Osterbrink [mailto:tosterbrink at verizon.net]
Sent: 19 May 2005 06:49
To: vwdiesel at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Hydrogen power
Was reading something about the great late Clarence Kelly and his amazing
SR-71 Black Bird. During it's design phase, they thought about powering it
with Hydrogen.
That plan fissled when they found out it would take a plane with a fuel tank
the size of a football field to do the job! Turns out Hydrogen doesn't have
enough energy per unit of measure and it would take 3 to 4 times the amount
of Hydrogen to equal the energy in a given amount of JP-7.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rod welch" <rod.welch at kolumbus.fi>
To: "'Shirley, Mark R'" <MarkRShirley at eaton.com>; "'Sandy Cameron'"
<scameron at compmore.net>; <vwdiesel at audifans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] Hydrogen power
Oh...Oh... are we having too much fun??
But you should do some serious reading... try
http://www.h2foresight.info/index.htm for a start.
Here (in Finland) anyway they are using fuel cells (11kg) to run scooters
and boats already, I mean nothing is for free in this world is it? and we
are talking about Zero emissions and water as a waste product...
Rod
Värtsilä
Finland
-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley, Mark R [mailto:MarkRShirley at eaton.com]
Sent: 17 May 2005 16:58
To: Sandy Cameron; vwdiesel at audifans.com
Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] Hydrogen power
Thank you Sandy, for saving me from having a meltdown and spending
lots of time compiling an email that would cause heartburn.... :)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandy Cameron [mailto:scameron at compmore.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:09 PM
> To: vwdiesel at audifans.com
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Hydrogen power
>
>
> At 04:02 PM 5/17/05 +0300, you wrote:
> >
> >C'mon guys... get real... diesels are following
> dinosaurs.... (just like
> >gassers...) Hydrogen is the only way to go.
> >I seem to remember making it at school... Water, battery,
> match, bang....
> >Something like that...
>
> Who made and charged the battery???
>
> Another case of impaired vision, and an entropy-burdened myth
> foisted by
> politicians and market sensitive industrialists who depend on
> our ignorance
> to profit.
>
> There's no loose hydrogen to be captured or stolen on this
> planet, and it
> takes more energy to release it from water than you will get
> from using it.
> (process losses.)
>
> Hydrogen is only useful for rocket science, and costs
> millions to produce.
>
> [Rant Off]
>
> Sandy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vwdiesel mailing list
> Vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
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