[Vwdiesel] Injection pump timing

[Chuck Carnohan]

Wow Fergie~  Sure glad she was able to walk away!  Sorry about the car
but grateful your spouse wasn't a total loss also!

Chuck Carnohan

-----Original Message-----
From: vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com]
On Behalf Of HWY9FERGS at cs.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:52 AM
To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Injection pump timing

Ok Hagar old buddy, your passion for the technique is pretty obvious,
and 
much appreciated. You deserve a ton of credit for you input to this
forum.  You 
enrich our list immeasurably. I wish I had the time to contribute more
to it.  
I have paid very close attention to your posts and have learned a great
deal 
from you.  It's just that when it comes to this, you leave me wanting
for lack 
of nuts and bolts details.  You can't assume everyone will have the
innate 
talents necessary for tuning by ear, and that is the bottom line.  If
you were 
able to give actual timing specs, and the sorts of sounds and specifics
you have 
experienced, it might be somewhat instructive. It's just darned near 
impossible to instruct that using a keyboard. I'd hate to see someone
who really 
shouldn't be altering their pump timing doing so.  As an aside,  I think
it's it's 
brilliant that you are using the 1.5 nozzles, set to a slightly higher 
breaking pressure to increase efficiency and boost your smileage.  I
strongly suspect 
that those are the main reason for your success. Timing?  of course it
can be 
a substantial factor, but honestly, I would be very curious to know
where 
your "actual" pump timing is set to?  Do you have the timing tool?  Can
you get 
hold of one and get a reading?  Do you know the breaking pressures you
have 
your injectors set for??  If you could provide some actual, specific
data, then I 
would feel like we have something more concrete to work with. Sorry,
Doug     
         

PS   Speaking of concrete, I am very sad. Yesterday my spouse wrecked
(and 
fully totaled out) the fully loaded mint 85 TD Jetta I had provided for
her.  
She ran off the road and into a concrete abutment at a rather high rate
of 
speed. It looks just like she got into a head-on with a semi-truck.  I'm
impressed 
with the car's ability to protect the passenger compartment.  Thanks to
those 
"crumple zones" and her dedication to wearing the belt,  she walked
away.  
Whew!> 
> 
> From: "H .  Hagar." <h_hagar at prcn.org>
>  
   I know you can fudge around a > little on the pump advance (hillbilly

> tuning) but just on general principles I
> think it's wiser to stay with the stock timing unless you know for a
FACT 
> that
> you will only be operating it under very light loads.  You don't want
to 
> take
> the chance of doing damage.  Not worth it IMHO.  Doug Ferguson
> 
> Ferguson  ---you do not FULLY understand " Hillbilly Tuning "
---IMHO.
> 
> Give it another try.  ? --EH `?----and I guarantee that PERFORMACE
will 
> convince you.-----
> 
> NO timing using  Bentley --NO WAY NO HOW--will work on an OLD Rabbit
if you 
> go by  Bentley
> specs.
> Reason ?    simple ---wear and tear---- " Performance is it"  --like 
> smileage  --how ? do
> you argue
> With performance ?  --can you do it  ? --THEN DO IT. --- Bunny Bundo
would 
> be a disaster
> if timed by Bentley--- NOW ? she is a sweety pie ---"The Apple blossom

> Queen"  --thanks in
> part to Loren and all..
> 
> Next to NO soot in oil --and super Smileage   and ---not too bad 
> performance.  ---Show me
> your SOOT---and I will tell you where you are at.. (Blotter test).   
> ----Ferguson --you
> are wrong --"Hillbilly Tuning"  is ----NOT simply a matter of
advancing the
> pump --sometimes it means retarding the pump ----
> 
> A proper procedure under "Hillbilly Tuning" will NEVER damage any pump
or
> engine.---PERIOD.
> 
> Why ? it starts off from ---all marks aligned --and that is
RETARDED.--- ANY 
> LOAD will
> do---------------------------a diesel will only do what the amount of
fuel 
> injected
> dictates.---There is NO way of running a Diesel too lean.---NO matter
what 
> you
> do.----Trust ME --but verify----.
> 
> And "Hillbilly"  Tuning starts with "Fueling"  screw right out?  --you
bet 
> your butt.
> 
> Fueling screw is simply a mechanical stop  --preventing Governor from
moving 
> control
> collar to cover drain holes on high pressure piston----cover holes ?
--more
> fuel.------jepper..
> 
> Hagar.
> 
> PS :   For NEWBIES ---read my lips  ---Hillbilly Tuning is anything
but 
> Billy---it is a
> very scientific --very  time consuming ---very ---satisfying
---procedure 
> for
> experimentors.
> 
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