[Vwdiesel] Loren and Svend ---( and Hagar ? )

[Svend M Kjong]

am still your friend



  That I am very glad of, truly.
  I did not leave because of your "stupid" comment.  It was simply one
more irritation.  For a man of your years you don't behave too well in public.
Growing up with a LOT of your generation around me and a LOT of them
as my friends, it's embarrassing how you rant and ramble on out of order.
You certainly have a right to your opinions and that's fine, whether we
agree on them or not.  In the proper setting we just may agree more
than you think or at least have a good time discussing them.  The VW
list is NOT, I repeat NOT, NOT, NOT the place to be spewing your
political opinions out of context, without request or that don't DIRECTLY
pertain to the subject thread at hand.  It is VERY rare that it will.  Sure
we... they go OT on occasion but it's either special requests,
entertaining to nearly ALL or known to be informative to most.  Even
then it tends to go to p-mail soon.
  When many people are simply using the delete key when they see
your posts doesn't that tell you something?  You have stuff of value to
post but not every day and not on everything and quite often your posts
really contain nothing but an intro to something you don't say.  You
keep speaking to the "newbies."You're going chase off any newbies!!!
  It's not a political group but often half the posts in a day are your OT
or political rantings.  If I were to sign on and see that, I'd leave.  People
come to the list for help not ranting and banter.  Frankly I left, to cause
you to either leave or wake up.
  You really don't need to keep addressing the "newbies" as there are
likely none.  If some DO show up, they will lurk and ask questions when
ready without your prompting.
  This list has lasted a long time and done quite well without your
trying to lead it.  Trust me, if you try to lead it, it WILL die, it was
already starting to.  THAT is why I left.  I'm not going to just jump
back on lest it look like I was throwing a hissy fit as you have done
on there.
  My intent is not to make you leave but if you cannot behave yourself
then it would be best.  If I go back I will likely go back as a moderator
and trust me, if you're still there and start out of line I WILL cancel
your subscription without warning.  You've ticked me off several times
and it all pertains to list behavior more than personal disagreement
with your views.  I respond to the views in hopes you'll tire of the
dissent but you do not.  You seem to thrive on being the center of
attention.
  Many on the list DO want to hear your stories, your interests, your
life.  It doesn't belong on the list.  There is e-mail for that and as I've
mentioned to you before, you could set up a mailing of the day (or
two even) and send it to only those that want it.  It gets all interested
parties the interaction but doesn't clog the list with stuff that doesn't
belong whether it's interesting or not.
  Sure we all post a "what happened to me today" and they don't
necessarily pertain to the list but we don't do it DAILY and of content
that is proven to aggravate and annoy or offend.  We are also truthful,
to which you've admitted to stretching it.  Stretch it in private mail.
This stuff is saved and will hang around for a LONG time. I try not to
post anything that will ever come back to haunt or embarrass me.
  I'm being kind of harsh with you but frankly you put yourself in this
position and you deserve it.  Learn from it and you WILL be a better
person.  I've learned that perhaps I'm a bit TOO tolerant and nice as
I should have asked Dan to cancel you a couple months ago when
you started behaving like a small child with your "I'll stretch the
"generally diesel" topic as far as I can" attitude.  I just never dreamed
you'd stoop so low and act so poorly.  I do NOT expect people your
age to act that way.
  It's up to you how you will handle it.  I still want to meet and be
friends but your behavior will determine the amount of respect I will
have for you.  It's a little low currently.  :-(
  Still friends,
  Loren
PS, lay off the beer, take care of youself and stick around on this
planet a while.  Dad's not old and he's 6 years older than you.
Terribly bad back and shoulder yet he still worked more 12 hour days
in the orchard than not this year.  No reason you can't stick around.  It's
all about a desire to!  :-)

I Svend got no permission to print this from LOREN,


BUT I consider LOREN so important to this  group ---I have to do it ---out of respect to
the rest of you.

I am so ashamed ---I can not find words --I am the demise of LOREN ? ---NEVER NEVER will I
ever not try to mend that.  ---read my lips.

As a compassionate human ?   I take my responsibility to correct my ways serious..

Svend..

PS :   I am on my knees.----praying.