[Vwdiesel] resealing a 1.6 injector pump
Marvin Jansen
marvinjansen50 at gmail.com
Wed Nov 1 18:30:13 EST 2006
How hard is it to tear down and reseal the IP for my 85 1.6na?
On 11/1/06, vwdiesel-request at vwfans.com <vwdiesel-request at vwfans.com> wrote:
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> 1. Re: ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{ (Andrew Buc)
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> 3. Re: ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{ (mikitka)
> 4. Caddy for sale $2400 (mikitka)
> 5. Re: ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{ (Sandy Cameron)
> 6. somebodys smoking RE: ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{
> (B & R Decker)
> 7. Re: ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{ (James Hansen)
> 8. Basic info on Bosch VE injection pumps (William Davis)
> 9. Re: Basic info on Bosch VE injection pumps (82 Diesel Westy)
> 10. Re: somebodys smoking RE: ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{
> (Val Christian)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andrew Buc <AndrewBuc at staxman.net>
> To: Gerry Wolfe <GerryWolfe at shaw.ca>
> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:50:19 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{
> On Sunday, October 29, 2006, at 08:27 AM, Gerry Wolfe wrote:
>
> > One of the rebuilders says that o-rings & seals need to be Viton (some
> > sorta space-age material?).
>
> I don't know exactly what Viton is, but I understand it's often used
> for fuel lines in cars that are going to be run on biodiesel. The
> previous owner of my car replaced the original fuel lines with Viton.
>
>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: engle31 at comcast.net
> To: Gerry Wolfe <GerryWolfe at shaw.ca>, vwdiesel at vwfans.com, rumple stiltskin <stiltskin1969 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:07:48 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{
> try these guys
>
> http://www.dalsturbo.com/
>
> They can modify a standard 52hp 1.6na pump to achieve around 70hp
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Gerry Wolfe <GerryWolfe at shaw.ca>
>
> > They have the pump (rebuilt) in stock. Looking at $800US + 175 core, so when
> > you factor in exchange and freight and customs clearance, not much of a
> > difference.
> > Thanks for the suggestion.
> > rgds, g.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: rumple stiltskin
> > To: Gerry Wolfe
> > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 18:32
> > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{
> >
> >
> > http://www.partsplaceinc.com/
> >
> > go here..get your pump..let us all know how it turns out OK?
> > mike in Perry, FL
> > stiltskin1969 at yahoo.com
> >
> > Gerry Wolfe wrote:
> > Canada is moving towards ULSD diesel. Here on Vancouver Island, seems like
> > this is the only flavour available now.
> >
> > My injector pump is now leaking / weeping, and I'm weeping too. (315K km on
> > '91 Jetta TD with MF engine, using Stanadyne / 2stroke oil in 50/50 ratio
> > forever).
> >
> > I have talked to a couple of diesel pump rebuilders and the dealership, and
> > they are all blaming the ULSD diesel. They all have the same one-page notice
> > displayed. Says that conditioners such as Stanadyne can replace the lubricity
> > lost in the refiining, but that the aromatic chains (whatever the heck those
> > are!) are altered, no conditioner can fix this, and pumps may leak as a result.
> > One of the rebuilders says that o-rings & seals need to be Viton (some sorta
> > space-age material?). Rebuilder says he is getting about one call per day about
> > seemingly OK pumps starting to leak.
> >
> > I am quoted about $1000Cdn for parts/labour to rebuild my pump, and about
> > $1200 for an exchange (dealership is in line with the independents). I have one
> > on back-order from the dealer, it will take 3-4 weeks to deliver, and there is a
> > $100 core exchange charge. Dealer gives 12month/20Kkm warranty, says new pumps
> > are no longer available, cost about $5000 when they were available.
> >
> > :o(
> >
> > GerryWolfe at shaw.ca
> > www.members.shaw.ca/GerryWolfe
> >
> > Ninety percent of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "mikitka" <mikitka at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Gerry Wolfe'" <GerryWolfe at shaw.ca>, <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:50:08 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{
> Wow, For that price you may as well send yours off to
> Giles Superior Fuel Injection & Turbos Ltd.,
> 300 Steelcase Road West, unit 27,
> Markham, ON.,
> L3R 2W2
> 905-475-1122
> email: super at dalsturbo.com
>
> It cost me $950US to have him do my pump and he added the LDA. At least that
> was the price 2 years ago. Might be more now. My 91 jetta runs sweet and I
> have gotten a best 52.8mpg out of it and on average everyday running, with
> some hard runs and some not 46mpg.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com] On
> Behalf Of Gerry Wolfe
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:53 AM
> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com; rumple stiltskin
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{
>
> They have the pump (rebuilt) in stock. Looking at $800US + 175 core, so
> when you factor in exchange and freight and customs clearance, not much of a
> difference.
> Thanks for the suggestion.
> rgds, g.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rumple stiltskin
> To: Gerry Wolfe
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 18:32
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{
>
>
> http://www.partsplaceinc.com/
>
> go here..get your pump..let us all know how it turns out OK?
> mike in Perry, FL
> stiltskin1969 at yahoo.com
>
> Gerry Wolfe <GerryWolfe at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Canada is moving towards ULSD diesel. Here on Vancouver Island, seems
> like this is the only flavour available now.
>
> My injector pump is now leaking / weeping, and I'm weeping too. (315K km
> on '91 Jetta TD with MF engine, using Stanadyne / 2stroke oil in 50/50 ratio
> forever).
>
> I have talked to a couple of diesel pump rebuilders and the dealership,
> and they are all blaming the ULSD diesel. They all have the same one-page
> notice displayed. Says that conditioners such as Stanadyne can replace the
> lubricity lost in the refiining, but that the aromatic chains (whatever the
> heck those are!) are altered, no conditioner can fix this, and pumps may
> leak as a result. One of the rebuilders says that o-rings & seals need to be
> Viton (some sorta space-age material?). Rebuilder says he is getting about
> one call per day about seemingly OK pumps starting to leak.
>
> I am quoted about $1000Cdn for parts/labour to rebuild my pump, and
> about $1200 for an exchange (dealership is in line with the independents). I
> have one on back-order from the dealer, it will take 3-4 weeks to deliver,
> and there is a $100 core exchange charge. Dealer gives 12month/20Kkm
> warranty, says new pumps are no longer available, cost about $5000 when they
> were available.
>
> :o(
>
> GerryWolfe at shaw.ca
> www.members.shaw.ca/GerryWolfe
>
> Ninety percent of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "mikitka" <mikitka at earthlink.net>
> To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:33:11 -0500
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Caddy for sale $2400
> http://raleigh.craigslist.org/car/223086162.html
>
>
>
> Caddy for sale in the Raleigh NC area.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Sandy Cameron <scameron at compmore.net>
> To: Gerry Wolfe <GerryWolfe at shaw.ca>, vwdiesel at audifans.com
> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:20:00 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{
> At 06:53 AM 31/10/2006 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> > My injector pump is now leaking / weeping, and I'm weeping too. (315K
> km on '91 Jetta TD with MF engine, using Stanadyne / 2stroke oil in 50/50
> ratio forever).
> >
> > I have talked to a couple of diesel pump rebuilders and the dealership,
> and they are all blaming the ULSD diesel. They all have the same one-page
> notice displayed. Says that conditioners such as Stanadyne can replace the
> lubricity lost in the refiining, but that the aromatic chains (whatever the
> heck those are!) are altered, no conditioner can fix this, and pumps may
> leak as a result.
>
>
> One quart 2-stroke to a tank full should do it
>
> Last July, I was on a 1000 mile road trip and ran in to ULSD in NW Ontario.
> On the way home, around Sudbury, i srang leaks at ne of the line couplings
> where it fastens to the check valve on the pump, and around the timing plug
>
> Slacked each off, and retightened (using backup wrenches) and no more problems.
> No gasket / Oring problems yet. A 94-A3, 1.9.
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "B & R Decker" <bdecker001 at centurytel.net>
> To: <engle31 at comcast.net>, "'Gerry Wolfe'" <GerryWolfe at shaw.ca>, <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>, "'rumple stiltskin'" <stiltskin1969 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:42:47 -0800
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] somebodys smoking RE: ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{
> Hi Eagle 31;
> You don't need to modify the 1.6 pump to get 70 hp but you do need
> to put on a TURBO. There is no way they can increase any place close to 18
> more hp from a 52 hp 1.6 VW diesel just by modifying a standard 1.6 na VW
> Bosch injection pump.
> Brian Decker
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com] On
> Behalf Of engle31 at comcast.net
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:08 AM
> To: Gerry Wolfe; vwdiesel at vwfans.com; rumple stiltskin
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{
>
> try these guys
>
> http://www.dalsturbo.com/
>
> They can modify a standard 52hp 1.6na pump to achieve around 70hp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: James Hansen <jhsg at sasktel.net>
> To: DIESEL <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:15:56 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{
> I dunno.
> I have my doubts that this is completely on the level.
> Aromatic hydrocarbons are those built around a 5 carbon ring (benzene,
> which defines it as an aromatic hydrocarbon). Altering the "aromatic
> chain" effectively alters what it is, as in how many carbons per
> molecule. Whole purpose of refining is to vacuum distill to separate
> the various lengths of carbon chains, then recombine to make your blend
> as fuel. the posted explanation you are seeing just doesn't make sense.
> I could see a reason as being some goofy additive they are using,
> but... I dunno. Buna-n seals are common, but they fail when exposed to
> methanol and bio-d eventually, and some other stuff, because it is
> absorbed by the material and it eventually fails. Viton is a different
> composition that resists most stuff. this just seems to maybe be a more
> of a cover your ass statement rather than an explanation of anything.
> -James
>
> Sandy Cameron wrote:
> > At 06:53 AM 31/10/2006 -0800, you wrote:
> >> My injector pump is now leaking / weeping, and I'm weeping too. (315K
> > km on '91 Jetta TD with MF engine, using Stanadyne / 2stroke oil in 50/50
> > ratio forever).
> >> I have talked to a couple of diesel pump rebuilders and the dealership,
> > and they are all blaming the ULSD diesel. They all have the same one-page
> > notice displayed. Says that conditioners such as Stanadyne can replace the
> > lubricity lost in the refiining, but that the aromatic chains (whatever the
> > heck those are!) are altered, no conditioner can fix this, and pumps may
> > leak as a result.
> >
> >
> > One quart 2-stroke to a tank full should do it
> >
> > Last July, I was on a 1000 mile road trip and ran in to ULSD in NW Ontario.
> > On the way home, around Sudbury, i srang leaks at ne of the line couplings
> > where it fastens to the check valve on the pump, and around the timing plug
> >
> > Slacked each off, and retightened (using backup wrenches) and no more problems.
> > No gasket / Oring problems yet. A 94-A3, 1.9.
> >
> > Sandy
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: William Davis <wdavis1 at tampabay.rr.com>
> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:58:54 -0500
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Basic info on Bosch VE injection pumps
> go here to find a rebuild kit.
>
> http://www.dieselvw.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: 82 Diesel Westy <dieselwesty at yahoo.com>
> To: William Davis <wdavis1 at tampabay.rr.com>, vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 05:13:58 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Basic info on Bosch VE injection pumps
> thanks for the web sight, this place has all that us
> old timers need as well as the locking tools for my 04
> Jetta TDI as I have a timing belt change (dreading)
> coming up. Prices are very nice as well.
>
> I have been scanning the web for years and I never
> came across this web sight before.
>
> Thanks William
>
> Bryan from NJ
>
> --- William Davis <wdavis1 at tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > go here to find a rebuild kit.
> >
> > http://www.dieselvw.com/
> >
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Val Christian <val at mongobird.com>
> To: bdecker001 at centurytel.net (B & R Decker)
> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 07:47:33 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] somebodys smoking RE: ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{
> No way? One could spin the engine faster. Since the pump is the governor,
> a change there could affect total hp output. It might also help contribute
> to a rain of pieces of parts. (grin).
>
> Val
>
>
> >
> > Hi Eagle 31;
> > You don't need to modify the 1.6 pump to get 70 hp but you do need
> > to put on a TURBO. There is no way they can increase any place close to 18
> > more hp from a 52 hp 1.6 VW diesel just by modifying a standard 1.6 na VW
> > Bosch injection pump.
> > Brian Decker
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com] On
> > Behalf Of engle31 at comcast.net
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:08 AM
> > To: Gerry Wolfe; vwdiesel at vwfans.com; rumple stiltskin
> > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] ULSD effect on injector pump... :o{
> >
> > try these guys
> >
> > http://www.dalsturbo.com/
> >
> > They can modify a standard 52hp 1.6na pump to achieve around 70hp
> >
> >
> >
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