[Vwdiesel] Vwdiesel Digest, Vol 35, Issue 15
Chris Jude
vegbenz300 at gmail.com
Thu Sep 14 11:38:01 EDT 2006
Thanks for the advice, guys.
I'll give it a try this weekend to get it started. As far as cables go,
where could I get larger gauge cables?
Chris
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> 1. priming the fuel, Audi 5000S (Chris Jude)
> 2. Re: priming the fuel, Audi 5000S (LBaird119 at aol.com)
> 3. Re: priming the fuel, Audi 5000S (82 Diesel Westy)
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> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:21:59 -0700
> From: "Chris Jude" <vegbenz300 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] priming the fuel, Audi 5000S
> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
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> My girlfriend's Audi 5000S (1980) has been out of commision for about a
> month now. Originally I thought it was a glow plug issue, but after
> replacing all 5 plug and the relay, I realized that it seems that fuel is
> not getting to the injectors.
> I was able to pull fuel up from the tank with a suction pump, and I've
> changed the fuel filter, but I'm not sure what else I can do to get the
> fuel
> to the injection pump. A friend said that if there was air in the line
> then I just needed to crank and crank for a long time to reprime. Well
> I've
> cranked alot, and nothing's improving.
> Not sure why the fuel has lost it's prime in the first place, but the
> problem seemed to start gradually. The car would be hard to start, then
> harder, then finally it just wouldn't start.
>
>
> Another thing I noticed yesterday while cranking the engine was that there
> are two ground wires that get very hot during cranking, one from the neg
> terminal to the chassis, and one below the injection pump that goes to
> chassis. Is it normal for these to get hot?
>
> Chris
> Carnation, WA
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:08:55 EDT
> From: LBaird119 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] priming the fuel, Audi 5000S
> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
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> In a message dated 9/12/2006 6:59:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> vegbenz300 at gmail.com writes:
>
> > My girlfriend's Audi 5000S (1980) has been out of commision for about a
> > month now. Originally I thought it was a glow plug issue, but after
> > replacing all 5 plug and the relay, I realized that it seems that fuel
> is
> > not getting to the injectors.
> > I was able to pull fuel up from the tank with a suction pump, and I've
> > changed the fuel filter, but I'm not sure what else I can do to get the
> fuel
> > to the injection pump. A friend said that if there was air in the line
> > then I just needed to crank and crank for a long time to reprime. Well
> I've
> > cranked alot, and nothing's improving.
> > Not sure why the fuel has lost it's prime in the first place, but the
> > problem seemed to start gradually. The car would be hard to start, then
> > harder, then finally it just wouldn't start.
>
> I thought I'd mentioned this before but here goes...
> Pull the fuel return banjo bolt from the pump (the one marked "out")
> and fill the pump full of fuel. It should then start in a few moments of
> cranking. Once started, check the clear, supply line for bubbles. If
> you see any then you need to find the source. If you don't then your
> leak is either the input shaft seal or in the return lines somewhere.
>
> >
> >
> > Another thing I noticed yesterday while cranking the engine was that
> there
> > are two ground wires that get very hot during cranking, one from the neg
> > terminal to the chassis, and one below the injection pump that goes to
> > chassis. Is it normal for these to get hot?
> >
>
> Yes and no. It's sometimes "normal" but it's not desireable. It
> depends on how long you're cranking, how good the starter is and
> how clean the terminals/connections all are.
> Larger cables would definitely help. My 5K TD has the ground
> connecting to a flimsy metal strap, welded to the fender, behind
> the battery (under the hood). Engine then got ground from a braided
> strap between the body and the engine. That piece of metal would
> sometimes smoke! I put a #1 or so eye-to-eye cable from the battery
> terminal to the engine and it cranked twice as fast and also started
> when it was below 75F for the first time in a long time!
> Your problem may simply be your starter/power supply.
> Loren
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:28:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: 82 Diesel Westy <dieselwesty at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] priming the fuel, Audi 5000S
> To: LBaird119 at aol.com, vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> Message-ID: <20060913152839.73815.qmail at web38710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> One other suggestion, use some fish tank clean hose
> from the fuel filter to the pump for a few days to
> make sure you have the air out of the fuel feed to the
> pump.
>
> You can also remove the "IN" banjo bolt from the pump
> and put it in a clean coffee can. Put a rag with
> compressed air nossle blower into the fuel tank
> filler. Using about 30lbs of compressed air you
> should be able to force fuel out of the tank and wait
> to see good flow of fuel with no bubbles, you will
> need a helper to do this.
>
> Battery cables are key. The heat does indicate a bad
> ground to body.
>
> Good luck, Bryan
>
>
> --- LBaird119 at aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 9/12/2006 6:59:00 PM Pacific
> > Daylight Time,
> > vegbenz300 at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > > My girlfriend's Audi 5000S (1980) has been out of
> > commision for about a
> > > month now. Originally I thought it was a glow
> > plug issue, but after
> > > replacing all 5 plug and the relay, I realized
> > that it seems that fuel is
> > > not getting to the injectors.
> > > I was able to pull fuel up from the tank with a
> > suction pump, and I've
> > > changed the fuel filter, but I'm not sure what
> > else I can do to get the fuel
> > > to the injection pump. A friend said that if
> > there was air in the line
> > > then I just needed to crank and crank for a long
> > time to reprime. Well I've
> > > cranked alot, and nothing's improving.
> > > Not sure why the fuel has lost it's prime in the
> > first place, but the
> > > problem seemed to start gradually. The car would
> > be hard to start, then
> > > harder, then finally it just wouldn't start.
> >
> > I thought I'd mentioned this before but here
> > goes...
> > Pull the fuel return banjo bolt from the pump (the
> > one marked "out")
> > and fill the pump full of fuel. It should then
> > start in a few moments of
> > cranking. Once started, check the clear, supply
> > line for bubbles. If
> > you see any then you need to find the source. If
> > you don't then your
> > leak is either the input shaft seal or in the return
> > lines somewhere.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Another thing I noticed yesterday while cranking
> > the engine was that there
> > > are two ground wires that get very hot during
> > cranking, one from the neg
> > > terminal to the chassis, and one below the
> > injection pump that goes to
> > > chassis. Is it normal for these to get hot?
> > >
> >
> > Yes and no. It's sometimes "normal" but it's not
> > desireable. It
> > depends on how long you're cranking, how good the
> > starter is and
> > how clean the terminals/connections all are.
> > Larger cables would definitely help. My 5K TD has
> > the ground
> > connecting to a flimsy metal strap, welded to the
> > fender, behind
> > the battery (under the hood). Engine then got
> > ground from a braided
> > strap between the body and the engine. That piece
> > of metal would
> > sometimes smoke! I put a #1 or so eye-to-eye cable
> > from the battery
> > terminal to the engine and it cranked twice as fast
> > and also started
> > when it was below 75F for the first time in a long
> > time!
> > Your problem may simply be your starter/power
> > supply.
> > Loren
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>
> Bryan Belman, Pt Pleasant, NJ
> 04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp -- running :)
> 82 Diesel Westy 1.9NA -- running :)
> 92 Jetta Eco-Turbo Diesel -- not running yet <:>
> 90 Audi 200, 2.2L Turbo FWD -- runs some times, need to sell :(
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