[Vwdiesel] Polo TDI

[Gerry Wolfe]

Could you post the URL... I'm sure this would be of interest to the group.
advTHANKSance, g.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Hansen" <jhsg at sasktel.net>
To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Polo TDI


> If you do torrents, I have a link to a movie called _The Great Global
> Warming Swindle_.
> PM me and I'll send the link to the torrent.  The movie is 950MB so it's
> a bit big to email.
> It is extremely informative, and unlike the gore spectaculum, is hosted
> by actual scientists, using real scientific data and principles.
>
> There's some VERY interesting data on carbon and global warming not
> being causal at all, and real historical data pointing to the actual
> cause as being the SUN!  Yeah the big hot thing in the sky...
>
> It's definitely worth looking at.
>
> -james
>
>
> Roger Brown wrote:
>> Good points below.
>>
>> The other one I heard a while back is that with the big focus on reducing 
>> particulate
>> emissions from diesels has an opposite impact on global warming.  The 
>> particulates help to
>> block and reflect heat from the sun, countering some significant fraction 
>> of the potential
>> warming from the CO2 in the same exhaust gas.  So by going to great 
>> measures to cut diesel
>> particulates and even moving away from the more efficient diesel engines 
>> you are both
>> reducing the heat lowering effects of the particulates and raising the 
>> heat increasing
>> effects of burning more fuel (in a less efficient engine) and making more 
>> CO2.
>>
>> Funny thing too is I was looking at the Calif. Air Resources Board 
>> particulate data over
>> the state and guess where the particulates are higher and lower?  LA and 
>> the SF Bay Area
>> are relatively low and it is the mountainous and desert areas (where 
>> relatively few people
>> live) where particulates are much higher.
>>
>> But have some big rig or a bus drive by with black smoke behind it and 
>> that is horrible to
>> most folks.  Have a gas engine vehicle drive by and you see nothing so it 
>> must be OK, yet
>> the gasoline exhaust will kill you while the diesel exhaust might give 
>> you a headache.
>>
>>
>> James Hansen wrote:
>>>> VWOA is missing the boat as we speak.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Joe
>>> Well said Joe.
>>>
>>> Thing is, VWoA has been bit in the ass by your EPA everytime they do
>>> something to get their diesels into the States.  the are so knee jerk
>>> anti-diesel, the jeep CD's were legislated illegal before they made it
>>> to market.
>>>
>>> I'm not the most popular guy when I say this, but I'm really really
>>> tired of having the entire north american auto market being driven by
>>> the insane in LA.  If everyone that lives in high population density
>>> wants to drive everywhere all the time one person per car, then they
>>> SHOULD have smog, and I really don't see why screwing over the rest of
>>> the continent regarding nitrogen emissions is a wise goal.  It does seem
>>> to be the only goal, and nobody even questions it any more, and it
>>> really conflicts with any tangible and sensible use of resources. They
>>> just use the words "pollution" synonymously with nitrogen emissions, and
>>> everyone seems to accept it as given.
>>>
>>> For example, we now use at least 12% more fuel in the new tier 3
>>> emissions compliant large diesel engines.  I've heard figures in real
>>> world conditions as high as 30%.  Why?  So a farmer in Bugtussle can
>>> drive a combine that has little in the way of smog producing nitrogen
>>> emissions, and it will alleviate the smog over the vast prairie... oh
>>> yeah, that's right, we don't get that here, we just have to meet the
>>> same emissions standard as LA just in case we drive our combines and
>>> tractors to LA.
>>>
>>> Point is, big picture, we are increasing the reliance on foreign crude
>>> to keep smog out of the large urban centers by focusing on only one
>>> component of exhaust.  It seems to not matter to the legislators how
>>> efficient your new escalade is, as long as it produces no NOX, 10mpg is
>>> just great.
>>>
>>> We'll never see a Lupo here, unless it is brought in as used in a few
>>> years. It saddens me that people still rave about mileage figures that
>>> are just beginning to approach what we as a group of VW diesel owners
>>> have been getting for years and years, in old outdated cars with about
>>> as low tech a motor as you can get.  Thing is they were engineered from
>>> a completely different perspective, one that is pretty rare nowadays- to
>>> be thrifty and functional primarily, not designed to win the bling 
>>> award.
>>>
>>> The stuff that is coming down the pipe in Europe recently, and moreso
>>> with the upcoming X prize for a high mileage performance car is really
>>> getting my hopes up.   The Loremo prototype has turned in 140mpg real
>>> world numbers so far.  It's looking good, just no chance of that
>>> happening here anytime soon.   I expect high mileage cars to be
>>> available in kit form someday, sooner than a manufacturer actually
>>> brings in production cars.
>>> -james
>>
>>
>>
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