[Vwdiesel] Polo TDI

[Terry Briggs]

I agree completely. The mileage numbers for cars made today is just a 
game. A few cars that have made our shores that did get excellent fuel 
mileage went the way of the dodo. The honda crx was one example, while 
not a diesel, it did get upwards of 50 mpg on gas, very respectable for 
a gas engine, but it does prove one thing, they could do it if the 
wanted to, the civic was just as good and carried more than just 2 like 
the crx.

If it isn't the emissions game preventing good fuel mileage cars to our 
shores, it's the safety issue. Several european cars get almost 70 mpg, 
but because they are a light weight commuter car, designed to just get 
you back and forth without any particular style, they wouldn't import 
them. Safety is a crutch anymore.  Of course the gov would want you 
believe they aren't sold here because there would be no demand. The 
demand would be there alright, the big 3 couldn't even begin to 
compete, I understand and respect that as a reason, I just don't like 
being lied to so I say to heck with Ford, Chevy and Dodge, if they want 
to compete, make a car that's dependable and gets at least 40 mpg on 
gas and people would buy them. chrysler tried with the diesel jeep, too 
bad they futzed that up, they think 25mpg on their diesel is great 
mileage, not when a 4k pound mercedes gets upwards of 33 and an old 
chevy full size truck could get 25.  We won't get a decent fuel mileage 
car until the big 3 go belly up and stop selling cars.
On Nov 27, 2007, at 9:57 PM, James Hansen wrote:

>
>> VWOA is missing the boat as we speak.
>>
>> Best,
>> Joe
>
> Well said Joe.
>
> Thing is, VWoA has been bit in the ass by your EPA everytime they do
> something to get their diesels into the States.  the are so knee jerk
> anti-diesel, the jeep CD's were legislated illegal before they made it
> to market.
>
> I'm not the most popular guy when I say this, but I'm really really
> tired of having the entire north american auto market being driven by
> the insane in LA.  If everyone that lives in high population density
> wants to drive everywhere all the time one person per car, then they
> SHOULD have smog, and I really don't see why screwing over the rest of
> the continent regarding nitrogen emissions is a wise goal.  It does 
> seem
> to be the only goal, and nobody even questions it any more, and it
> really conflicts with any tangible and sensible use of resources. They
> just use the words "pollution" synonymously with nitrogen emissions, 
> and
> everyone seems to accept it as given.
>
> For example, we now use at least 12% more fuel in the new tier 3
> emissions compliant large diesel engines.  I've heard figures in real
> world conditions as high as 30%.  Why?  So a farmer in Bugtussle can
> drive a combine that has little in the way of smog producing nitrogen
> emissions, and it will alleviate the smog over the vast prairie... oh
> yeah, that's right, we don't get that here, we just have to meet the
> same emissions standard as LA just in case we drive our combines and
> tractors to LA.
>
> Point is, big picture, we are increasing the reliance on foreign crude
> to keep smog out of the large urban centers by focusing on only one
> component of exhaust.  It seems to not matter to the legislators how
> efficient your new escalade is, as long as it produces no NOX, 10mpg is
> just great.
>
> We'll never see a Lupo here, unless it is brought in as used in a few
> years. It saddens me that people still rave about mileage figures that
> are just beginning to approach what we as a group of VW diesel owners
> have been getting for years and years, in old outdated cars with about
> as low tech a motor as you can get.  Thing is they were engineered from
> a completely different perspective, one that is pretty rare nowadays- 
> to
> be thrifty and functional primarily, not designed to win the bling 
> award.
>
> The stuff that is coming down the pipe in Europe recently, and moreso
> with the upcoming X prize for a high mileage performance car is really
> getting my hopes up.   The Loremo prototype has turned in 140mpg real
> world numbers so far.  It's looking good, just no chance of that
> happening here anytime soon.   I expect high mileage cars to be
> available in kit form someday, sooner than a manufacturer actually
> brings in production cars.
> -james
>
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