[Vwdiesel] negative aspects of burning water

[Erik Lane]

Wow, that's awesome! Good price, too!

Thanks for pointing that out to me. I had missed it the first time through.

Yes, the couple times I've had a chance to work on a Geo they were very
straightforward and simple. I definitely approve of them. But if you get any
model except for the super light one didn't the mpg go down a lot - like to
40mpg or something?

Erik

On 9/23/07, James Hansen <jhsg at sasktel.net> wrote:
>
> A friend commutes in Vancouver area in his third Geo- he's worn out two
> already.
> He's over 50 MPG easy, drives the living crap out of it.  I've worked on
> it for him when out visiting, it's simple and very old school VW-ish in
> it's design.  It's a hard car to beat really.
>
> I wish the emissions market were a little more sensible and less trade
> restrictive on efficient diesels too.   We got the Smart for two in
> diesel, now gas, but really it is too purpose built a vehicle.  The Lupo
> is brilliant, and it never ceases to piss me off that we can't get one
> here until they are old and worn out.
>
> Check out that Loremo link I sent earlier Erik. it's pretty neat, and
> has 2+2 seating.
> -james
>
> Erik Lane wrote:
> > I love diesel as much as anyone, and I sure wish they'd bring the Lupo
> and
> > other smart little diesels over here! But simply in the interest of
> fairness
> > I wanted to point out that the Geo Metro Xfi (I think that was the one)
> > actually got 60mpg with a little gas engine. Of course that was the
> special
> > model with all lightweight stuff, but I think that's kinda the same
> class as
> > the super-efficient diesels. I would still prefer a diesel most any day,
> but
> > good little gas cars were made. I'm still surprised at all the hoopla
> over
> > hybrid when it doesn't seem to deliver what it promises. Though I also
> have
> > high hopes that someday when they work out all the problems maybe it
> will be
> > able to really work.
> >
> > RMI used to talk about goals of eventually getting 600mpg, but when I
> just
> > looked they were talking about long term goals of 200mpg. They say short
> > term is 90mpg. It looks like they're backpedaling on what they can
> deliver
> > also. It would sure be nice to be able to talk seriously about getting
> those
> > kind of numbers. Here's a
> > link<
> http://www.rmi.org/images/PDFs/Transportation/T97-04_HypercarsFAQs.pdf>to
> > their FAQ (pdf file).
> >
> > Erik
> >
> > On 9/22/07, The President <quantum-man at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Ron
> >> Can you elucidate exactly what your diesel electric regenerator
> actually
> >> consists of?
> >> Vehicle method of attachment of generator size of battery etc... any
> >> details
> >> of any aspect please :oD)
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>> From: "Ron Schroeder" <rjs at bnl.gov>
> >>> To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] negative aspects of burning water
> >>> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:59:49 -0400
> >>>
> >>> Hi James,
> >>>
> >>> While the diesel isn't as bad to start with, a diesel will still
> benefit
> >> >from a hybrid drivetrain.  The diesel does have a wider range of
> outputs
> >>> where the Base Specific Fuel Consumption is still high but the farther
> >> away
> >> >from the sweet spot, the worse the fuel consumption gets, just like in
> a
> >>> gas
> >>> engine, just not as bad.  Even if a diesel kept the same efficiency
> over
> >>> it's entire power range, a hybrid would still benefit from the fuel
> >> savings
> >>> of regenerative braking in stop and go driving and if the battery was
> big
> >>> enough it could get some of it's range from outside electric sources.
> >>>
> >>> My diesel/electric hybrid gained about 30% in town with regenerative
> >>> braking.
> >>>
> >>> Kenworth has just announced a hybrid diesel electric Class 6
> truck.  It's
> >>> the T270.
> >>>
> >>> Ron Schroeder
> >>> WD8CDH
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Message: 4
> >>>> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:55:16 -0600
> >>>> From: James Hansen <jhsg at sasktel.net>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ron S, in a diesel elecric hybrid, would not the returns be too small
> >> to
> >>>> justify the added costs?
> >>>> A diesel can be VERY efficient, but wouldn't the electrical losses
> add
> >>>> up faster than the mechanical losses in a straight mechanical drive
> >>>> diesel?   I know there is a net benefit in a gasser, mostly because
> >> the
> >>>> gasser is inherently shitty in terms of efficiency to start with.
> >>>> -james
> >>>> ****
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