[Vwdiesel] Really wierd stating problem
Val Christian
val at mongo.mongobird.com
Thu Jan 3 08:38:24 PST 2008
Yes, it sounds OK, although today it was sluggish. VAGCOM says 189 RPM.
Know what I should see?
>
> Well that is odd.
>
> The starter sounds like it turns over okay?
>
> On Jan 3, 2008 11:31 AM, Val Christian <val at mongo.mongobird.com> wrote:
>
> > I watched drop from the battery to the starter/engine
> > the drop was small. Yep there could be an intermittent there,
> > but I'm pretty sure not. The connections at the post
> > have also been verfied...there is less than .1 V drop on the
> > post during cranking.
> >
> > >
> > > bad battery cables?
> > >
> > > On Jan 3, 2008 11:23 AM, Val Christian <val at mongo.mongobird.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gang,
> > > >
> > > > About 60kmiles ago, while having a warranty replacement of a
> > > > glowplug, my 03 TDI Jetta started "starting hard".
> > > >
> > > > I've replaced glow plugs, probed current flow to each plug,
> > > > checked/adjusted/checked/etc timing, measured starter draw,
> > > > load tested the battery (many times), measured voltage drop to
> > > > starter, checked shudder/egt/etc, spray patterened injectors,
> > > > compression checked (525/530/530/530 last time), verifed
> > > > flow in fuel filter, reblended oil (no 2 and No 1 mixes),
> > > > use 5W40 oil (fresh), etc. Over all the miles the problem
> > > > has not getten better, just slightly worse.
> > > >
> > > > Randomly, the car won't start at all when it is cold, usually
> > > > without boostering or jumping. Yet, the load test is good.
> > > > Group 94 battery, 650 CCA, 810 CA whatever that really means.
> > > >
> > > > Today, 4F wx, I had a smart charger on the battery overnight.
> > > > Voltage 13.3, with charger off. Started glow cycle, and
> > > > cranked. Slow crank. Freshly charged battery. Fresh oil.
> > > > After 20 seconds or so (two tries) the battery would not
> > > > crank.
> > > >
> > > > At that point the smart charger was pumping 25 A into the battery,
> > > > so i went inside, and came out in 30 minutes. Initiated the
> > > > start cycle, and voila, it started just like when it was
> > > > a new vehicle.
> > > >
> > > > So I'm now thinking that the battery is intermittently bad.
> > > > Anyone ever have a similar experience, or heard of this kind of
> > > > failure?
> > > >
> > > > Val
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > bad battery cables?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 3, 2008 11:23
> > AM, Val Christian <<a href="mailto:val at mongo.mongobird.com">
> > val at mongo.mongobird.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote"
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> > > Gang,<br><br>About 60kmiles ago, while having a warranty replacement of
> > a<br>glowplug, my 03 TDI Jetta started "starting
> > hard".<br><br>I've replaced glow plugs, probed current flow to each
> > plug,<br>checked/adjusted/checked/etc timing, measured starter draw,
> > > <br>load tested the battery (many times), measured voltage drop
> > to<br>starter, checked shudder/egt/etc, spray patterened
> > injectors,<br>compression checked (525/530/530/530 last time),
> > verifed<br>flow in fuel filter, reblended oil (no 2 and No 1 mixes),
> > > <br>use 5W40 oil (fresh), etc. Over all the miles the
> > problem<br>has not getten better, just slightly worse.<br><br>Randomly, the
> > car won't start at all when it is cold, usually<br>without boostering or
> > jumping. Yet, the load test is good.
> > > <br>Group 94 battery, 650 CCA, 810 CA whatever that really
> > means.<br><br>Today, 4F wx, I had a smart charger on the battery
> > overnight.<br>Voltage 13.3, with charger off. Started glow cycle,
> > and<br>cranked. Slow crank. Freshly charged battery. Fresh
> > oil.
> > > <br>After 20 seconds or so (two tries) the battery would
> > not<br>crank.<br><br>At that point the smart charger was pumping 25 A into
> > the battery,<br>so i went inside, and came out in 30 minutes.
> > Initiated the<br>start cycle, and voila, it started just like when it
> > was
> > > <br>a new vehicle.<br><br>So I'm now thinking that the battery is
> > intermittently bad.<br>Anyone ever have a similar experience, or heard of
> > this kind
> > of<br>failure?<br><br>Val<br><br>_______________________________________________
> > > <br>Vwdiesel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vwdiesel at vwfans.com">
> > Vwdiesel at vwfans.com</a><br><a href="
> > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel" target="_blank">
> > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel</a>
> > > <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Stephen T. Kraus
> > Jr.<br>Home: (423)NONE<br><a href="mailto:UB3RATL4Sf00 at gmail.com">
> > UB3RATL4Sf00 at gmail.com</a>;
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> Well that is odd.<br><br>The starter sounds like it turns over okay?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 3, 2008 11:31 AM, Val Christian <<a href="mailto:val at mongo.mongobird.com">val at mongo.mongobird.com</a>> wrote:
> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I watched drop from the battery to the starter/engine<br>the drop was small. Yep there could be an intermittent there,
> <br>but I'm pretty sure not. The connections at the post<br>have also been verfied...there is less than .1 V drop on the<br>post during cranking.<br><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>><br>> bad battery cables?
> <br>><br>> On Jan 3, 2008 11:23 AM, Val Christian <<a href="mailto:val at mongo.mongobird.com">val at mongo.mongobird.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> > Gang,<br>> ><br>> > About 60kmiles ago, while having a warranty replacement of a
> <br>> > glowplug, my 03 TDI Jetta started "starting hard".<br>> ><br>> > I've replaced glow plugs, probed current flow to each plug,<br>> > checked/adjusted/checked/etc timing, measured starter draw,
> <br>> > load tested the battery (many times), measured voltage drop to<br>> > starter, checked shudder/egt/etc, spray patterened injectors,<br>> > compression checked (525/530/530/530 last time), verifed
> <br>> > flow in fuel filter, reblended oil (no 2 and No 1 mixes),<br>> > use 5W40 oil (fresh), etc. Over all the miles the problem<br>> > has not getten better, just slightly worse.<br>> ><br>> > Randomly, the car won't start at all when it is cold, usually
> <br>> > without boostering or jumping. Yet, the load test is good.<br>> > Group 94 battery, 650 CCA, 810 CA whatever that really means.<br>> ><br>> > Today, 4F wx, I had a smart charger on the battery overnight.
> <br>> > Voltage 13.3, with charger off. Started glow cycle, and<br>> > cranked. Slow crank. Freshly charged battery. Fresh oil.<br>> > After 20 seconds or so (two tries) the battery would not<br>> > crank.
> <br>> ><br>> > At that point the smart charger was pumping 25 A into the battery,<br>> > so i went inside, and came out in 30 minutes. Initiated the<br>> > start cycle, and voila, it started just like when it was
> <br>> > a new vehicle.<br>> ><br>> > So I'm now thinking that the battery is intermittently bad.<br>> > Anyone ever have a similar experience, or heard of this kind of<br>> > failure?<br>
> > ><br>> > Val<br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Vwdiesel mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:Vwdiesel at vwfans.com">Vwdiesel at vwfans.com</a><br>> >
> <a href="http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel" target="_blank">http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel</a><br>> ><br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Stephen T. Kraus Jr.<br>> Home: (423)NONE
> <br>> <a href="mailto:UB3RATL4Sf00 at gmail.com">UB3RATL4Sf00 at gmail.com</a>;<br>><br></div></div>> ------=_Part_38216_17058384.1199377710797<br>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> <br>> Content-Disposition: inline<br>><br>> bad battery cables?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 3, 2008 11:23 AM, Val Christian &lt;<a href="mailto:<a href="mailto:val at mongo.mongobird.com">
> val at mongo.mongobird.com</a>"><a href="mailto:val at mongo.mongobird.com">val at mongo.mongobird.com</a></a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
> 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>> Gang,<br><br>About 60kmiles ago, while having a warranty replacement of a<br>glowplug, my 03 TDI Jetta started &quot;starting hard&quot;.<br><br>I&#39;ve replaced glow plugs, probed current flow to each plug,<br>checked/adjusted/checked/etc timing, measured starter draw,
> <br>> <br>load tested the battery (many times), measured voltage drop to<br>starter, checked shudder/egt/etc, spray patterened injectors,<br>compression checked (525/530/530/530 last time), verifed<br>flow in fuel filter, reblended oil (no 2 and No 1 mixes),
> <br>> <br>use 5W40 oil (fresh), etc. &nbsp;Over all the miles the problem<br>has not getten better, just slightly worse.<br><br>Randomly, the car won&#39;t start at all when it is cold, usually<br>without boostering or jumping. &nbsp;Yet, the load test is good.
> <br>> <br>Group 94 battery, 650 CCA, 810 CA whatever that really means.<br><br>Today, 4F wx, I had a smart charger on the battery overnight.<br>Voltage 13.3, with charger off. &nbsp;Started glow cycle, and<br>cranked. &nbsp;Slow crank. &nbsp;Freshly charged battery. &nbsp;Fresh oil.
> <br>> <br>After 20 seconds or so (two tries) the battery would not<br>crank.<br><br>At that point the smart charger was pumping 25 A into the battery,<br>so i went inside, and came out in 30 minutes. &nbsp;Initiated the<br>start cycle, and voila, it started just like when it was
> <br>> <br>a new vehicle.<br><br>So I&#39;m now thinking that the battery is intermittently bad.<br>Anyone ever have a similar experience, or heard of this kind of<br>failure?<br><br>Val<br><br>_______________________________________________
> <br>> <br>Vwdiesel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:<a href="mailto:Vwdiesel at vwfans.com">Vwdiesel at vwfans.com</a>"><a href="mailto:Vwdiesel at vwfans.com">Vwdiesel at vwfans.com</a></a><br><a href="
> <a href="http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel" target="_blank">http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel</a>" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel" target="_blank">
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel</a></a><br>> <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Stephen T. Kraus Jr.<br>Home: (423)NONE<br><a href="mailto:
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> <br><br>_______________________________________________<br><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">Vwdiesel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vwdiesel at vwfans.com">Vwdiesel at vwfans.com</a><br><a href="http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel" target="_blank">
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel</a><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Stephen T. Kraus Jr.<br>Home: (423)NONE<br><a href="mailto:UB3RATL4Sf00 at gmail.com">UB3RATL4Sf00 at gmail.com
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