[Vwdiesel] Gas/Diesel Prices

Fri May 30 07:25:29 PDT 2008

Yes, Bryan, you make a point that I take for granted, but it deserves repeating.  There mere fact we drive what we drive, and many care for long past retirement date of other modes of transport, means that we are in a position to be smug about resource conservation.

But, to put my point into terms with which we can best relate: the sole reason Europe gets the "good stuff" in diesel models and we are left with the dregs - or nothing at all at this time - is that fuel is double the price there.

----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Belman <dieselwesty at yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:53 am
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Gas/Diesel Prices

> Very Well Said Patrick, buying the endless waste of
> products and items that we do not need, that is
> America for sure, most people, none on this list.
> 
> We are all guilty to a degree, but what I see around
> me here in the "look at what I have" state of NJ makes
> me ILL.
> 
> must go, have a nice weekend all.
> Diesel prices all over the place, from 5.19 at a Valco
> station in town to 4.64 on the Garden State Parkway,
> cheaper then NJ Turnpike or Rt.95 (4.69), that is a
> first.
> Bryan
> 
> --- Patrick Dolan <pmdolan at sasktel.net> wrote:
> 
> > I can sympathize with the desire to see commercial
> > truckers subsidized, but it is right back to the
> > same issue:  if is too cheap, inefficient systems
> > develop.  I hate to tell you the frequency that I
> > see the SAME product going each way on an
> > Interstate.  The price of consumer goods can and
> > will increase, since if you take a careful look, it
> > is the pre-occupation with buying endless piles of
> > "stuff" (90% of which we do not need, and we do not
> > make) that is one thing killing the economy.  And, a
> > lot of that is happening because hydrocarbons are
> > far too cheap and we pay only a tiny part of the
> > "life cycle costs" (i.e. no cost of mitigation,
> > remediation or replacement).
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bryan Belman <dieselwesty at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:35 am
> > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Gas/Diesel Prices
> > 
> > > Agreed, dropping the price will encourage waste
> > Again
> > > and again.
> > > 
> > > But, dropping the price for commercial drivers,
> > > truckers, somehow, would help.
> > > That would keep the cost of all goods being passed
> > on
> > > to consumers who are already feeling the inflation
> > of
> > > all things that need patrolium as a base or
> > transport.
> > > 
> > > We can do many thing as a nation, but I would not
> > hold
> > > my breath for someone to figure out such a simple
> > plan
> > > like commercial discounts for fuel to
> > > carriers..........that will never happen.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > My 2 cents.
> > > 
> > > Bryan
> > > 
> > > --- Patrick Dolan <pmdolan at sasktel.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I think the whole point is that dropping the
> > price
> > > > of diesel (or gasoline) is what ENCOURCAGES
> > WASTE. 
> > > > That is the difference bwtween Liberalism and
> > > > reality.  In the world of the Politically
> > Correct
> > > > Looney Left, there are nothing but half-baked
> > > > flashes of insanity - rather than well reasoned
> > > > policy.  The world of actual free markets (that
> > > > doesn't actually exist anywhere, but there are
> > > > little bits of it around) dictates that causes
> > and
> > > > effects are reflected in the actual price ("fair
> > > > market value"?), resulting in appropriate
> > behaviour
> > > > from all participants.  In the case of fuel,
> > > > increasing price = increasing conservation and
> > > > making alternatives practical (driven by real
> > market
> > > > forces rather that incredible stupidity of
> > > > burearcrats and politicians).
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "S. Shourds" <sshourds at flash.net>
> > > > Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:53 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Gas/Diesel Prices
> > > > 
> > > > > Dave Cook wrote:
> > > > > > Just one more example of something that our
> > > > government doesn't 
> > > > > do well.  To those who want to nationalize
> > more
> > > > and more parts of 
> > > > > our daily life, I challenge you to name
> > something,
> > > > anything, that 
> > > > > the government does well without wasting
> > money. 
> > > > To win, they have 
> > > > > to do it better than private enterprises.  
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   
> > > > > 
> > > > > As someone working in a semi-governmental
> > > > environmental concern, I 
> > > > > think 
> > > > > the sad truth is that we need them both
> > > > involved--government and 
> > > > > private 
> > > > > industry.  Industry has the initiative,
> > government
> > > > has the broad-
> > > > > based 
> > > > > accountability.  Makes a heck of a mess but to
> > > > paraphrase 
> > > > > Churchill, 
> > > > > it's the worst possible situation with the
> > > > exception of every 
> > > > > other 
> > > > > possible one.    
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I wouldn't, for example, mind if the US gov't
> > > > wanted to encourage 
> > > > > more 
> > > > > efficient vehicles and dropped the priced of
> > > > Diesel :)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -Shalyn, the token big-government liberal :)
> > > > >
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> > > 
> > > Bryan Belman, Pt Pleasant, NJ
> > > 04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp   -- running :)
> > > 82 Diesel Westy 1.9NA               -- running :)
> > > 92 Jetta 1.6 Eco-Turbo Diesel       -- running :)
> > > 70 Type 1 stock Beetle              -- Not running
> > :(
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Bryan Belman, Pt Pleasant, NJ
> 04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp   -- running :)
> 82 Diesel Westy 1.9NA               -- running :)
> 92 Jetta 1.6 Eco-Turbo Diesel       -- running :)
> 70 Type 1 stock Beetle              -- Not running :(
> 