[Vwdiesel] PROTHE on ebay??

[Tony and Lillie]

This is all from experience, my own that is. I know nothing of what Cessna 
is doing, nor does it affect what I think of Chinese parts for European 
cars. I bought those chinese made wheel cylinders about two monts ago, and 
they did not fit. Now, unless the Chinese have made nearly impossible leaps 
in the last two months, their quality control in this regards to VAG parts 
is not anywhere good enough for me to consider for my own car, much less a 
customer car. Cessna is probably over there overlooking the build of those 
planes, BTW. Something you and I cannot do with regards to our auto parts. 
My neighbor in the business complex is designing computer game seats, and 
they are being manufactured in China. Guess how many problems he has had to 
deal with so far? He has just started with the first run, and I think has 
lost nearly all of his hair in just a couple of months. However, they build 
things so inexpensively (and cheaply in many cases) that he will use them to 
get the product to people very inexpensively.

I'm not saying that the Chinese are not increasing quickly, and they will 
some day produce good quality items. I know they will, it is just a question 
of when. Look at what happened with Japan, and Korea for that matter. 
Remember the first Hyundai? It was crap. I worked at a very large salvage 
yard from 90-93, and we had tons of Excel's with 60-80k, blown 
engines/transmissions/falling apart in general. Look at Hyundai's quality 
rating today, generally second on the list behind Toyota. Yes, they will 
improve, but it has not happened in their auto industry yet.

I'm very sorry to hear of your experience with the late model engines. I 
will agree, they overlook things. Everyone does. You've never dealt with a 
late model 6.4L Ford diesel engine needing replacement? How about the pre 
pump on the Cummins in Dodge's from 94-02? Nissan head gaskets (in just 
about anything late model)? Honda transmissions (I have a close friend with 
an 02 that has gone through two already, 140k)? Nobody makes a perfect car, 
we are imperfect humans, after all. However, the engineering that goes into 
a European car is second to none, in the auto field. Spend a lot of time 
wrenching on all different makes and models with an open mind, and you will 
see that. You will also see that some of the things they overlook have very 
simple fixes, some don't. And, some of them are very expensive to repair, 
while others are not.

At the end of the day, this is all just opinion based on experience. It's 
your car, use what you choose.

Tony


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Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] PROTHE on ebay??


> So if you think USA products are sub-standard and Europeans are better 
> than
> USA, it must be scary for you to learn that the Chinese are advancing 
> there
> quality and engineering very quickly; in fact Cessna is currently 
> producing
> their latest aircraft, the Skycatcher, completely in China.
> btw, I've been in the industry for 30 yrs and I don't think VW are any 
> thing
> exceptional in the engineering respect; especially given the problems I've
> had with my '04 Jetta with the PD (BEW) engine that failed with the 
> classic
> camshaft/lifter failure at 118k miles even with stellar maintenance. I 
> have
> two late model Jettas, but will not buy another.
>
> BrianG