[Vwdiesel] Silicone Brake Fluid (fwd)

Tue Feb 14 13:19:14 PST 2012

The plane left Geneseo years ago after the Elmira group took over part of
the show.  They lost the plane, and the last I heard someone in LI
had it.  But I don't follow it.  Dick moved to NC, and I am not 
sure whether he is a silent key or not.

I think there are other, more famous, and more ingenious WWII stories.

Several years ago I was at Ft. Knox, for work, and I was introduced to 
the Abrams tank simulator.  I had two buddies there with me, and we teamed
on the tank.  Never done tanks, only aircraft (we were all pilots).
So they let us loose with the rest of the class, and in the end
we had 3 bad tanks, and no friendlies killed.  That was the tangent,
and here is the part which is VWdiesel relevant:

The instructor talked about the history of tank warfare, and by more 
detailed example showed how yankee ingenuity helped win the war.
For example, Germany had the best machinery and the best mechanics.
But their soldiers couldn't touch the mechanics, and were sitting 
ducks waiting for a mechanic to do a house call on the battlefield.
In contrast, the love of cars in the US hit just before the war, and 
GI's were empowered to do whatever they could at war.  So they'd swap
engines out of Jeeps, under oak trees, fix things, adapt things, etc.
All of this gave the US some kind of advantage where it appeared that 
none existed.

The vwdiesel group, regardless of where the readers are, use that same
kind of understanding, and teamwork to solve their problems.  Which is
why I'd drive a smoking old 1.5l bunny over a Prius.

Forwarded message:
> 
> Wow, that is a cool story to be close to, I guess they saved the plane for =
> history and it is Geneseo.
> I was not doubting the story, it is one of the most famous WWII stories I b=
> et.
> =A0
> Thanks Val.
> =A0
> 
> Bryan
> From: Val Christian <val at mongo.mongobird.com>
> To: dieselwesty at yahoo.com; vwdiesel at vwfans.com =
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Silicone Brake Fluid
> 
> I actually knew this guy (ham call WA2ATV), and knew that he was the =
> 
> flight engineer.=A0 I knew him for about 25 years, he moved away about 13 y=
> ears
> ago.=A0 He told the story several times, and I was at Geneseo several times
> when old crew members would show up and look at the plane, and they =
> 
> talked about it as well.=A0 Therefore I believe the story to be true
> and correct.=A0 Furthermore, I never knew Dick to stretch things or be
> untruthful in any way.
> 
> Solving puzzles when a college student, there were several problems in =
> 
> a creative problem solving workshop which required application of =
> 
> bodily fluids, but Dick's example was most memorable for me.
> 
> Val (de n2epo)
> 
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> >=A0 part if I did see the movie but I know they made one about that story.=
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> > =3D0AEverytime we talk about brake and hydraulic fluid, I remember a stor=
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> > of a local ham, Dick, who was the flight engineer on the Fuddy Duddy, =3D=
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> > and there was gunner trapped in the belly turret.=3DA0 So Dick passed aro=
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> > =3D0Aa coffee can, and everyone "donated as best they could" and he poure=
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> > e=3D0A"contributions" into the hydraulic system fill bottle.=3D0A=3D0AThe=
>  gear th=3D
> > en lowered a little more, and the belly gunner lived for another =3D0Aday=
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> > =3D0A=3D0A> =3D0A> When it came out, it was touted somewhat, as the wonde=
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> > for=3DA0 brakes.=3DA0 =3D0A> I've since heard nothing but DON'T USE IT.=
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> > or racing=3DA0 applications =3D0A> only.=3DA0 I did get in a discussion a=
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> >=A0 it's not=3DA0 recommended for regular =3D0A> use and I just don't reme=
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> >=A0 it was.=3D0A>=3DA0 The best answer we came up with was to use DOT 4 si=
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> it) an=3D
> > d it absorbs=3DA0 water =3D0A> WAY less than DOT 3.=3DA0 Also costs more,=
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> > risk of screwing up a=3DA0 British =3D0A> car from putting DOT 3 in it!=
> =3DA0 :-P=3D
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> > ] Silicone Brake Fluid<BR></FONT></DIV><BR>Everytime we talk about brake =
> an=3D
> > d hydraulic fluid, I remember a story<BR>of a local ham, Dick, who was th=
> e =3D
> > flight engineer on the Fuddy Duddy, <BR>a B-17.  They were shot up, =
> an=3D
> > d the gear wouldn't come down all the way,<BR>and there was gunner trappe=
> d =3D
> > in the
> >=A0 belly turret.  So Dick passed around <BR>a coffee can, and everyo=
> ne "=3D
> > donated as best they could" and he poured the<BR>"contributions" into the=
>  h=3D
> > ydraulic system fill bottle.<BR><BR>The gear then lowered a little more, =
> an=3D
> > d the belly gunner lived for another <BR>day.<BR><BR><BR>> <BR>> Wh=
> en=3D
> >=A0 it came out, it was touted somewhat, as the wonder fluid for  bra=
> kes.=3D
> >   <BR>> I've since heard nothing but DON'T USE IT.  It's for=
>  r=3D
> > acing  applications <BR>> only.  I did get in a discussion a=
> bo=3D
> > ut why it's not  recommended for regular <BR>> use and I just don=
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> >=A0 remember why it was.<BR>>  The best answer we came up with was=
>  to =3D
> > use DOT 4 since it's  compatible <BR>> with about any systems (so=
> me=3D
> >=A0 tractors won't like it) and it absorbs  water <BR>> WAY less t=
> han =3D
> > DOT 3.  Also costs more, but no risk of screwing up a  British =
> <B=3D
> > R>> car from putting DOT 3 in it!  :-P<BR>>   
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