[Vwdiesel] Vwdiesel Digest, Vol 99, Issue 3

Tue Jan 3 15:34:24 PST 2012

Yes it is normal for these cars to be cold when it is cold.  My O5 Passat
TDI seems to get heat at about four miles of freeway driving, but it won't
be fully warm until I've been on the road for a 10 miles.

Get a frostheater, you and your car will be happy.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Best wishes over the new year... (Bryan Belman)
   2. thermostat? (Chris Geiser)
   3. Re: thermostat? (Stephen Kraus)
   4. Re: thermostat? (LBaird119 at aol.com)
   5. Re: thermostat? (Tad)
   6. Re: thermostat? (Chris Geiser)
   7. Re: thermostat? (Tad)
   8. Re: thermostat? (Bryan Belman)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:18:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Bryan Belman <dieselwesty at yahoo.com>
To: Gerry Wolfe <GerryWolfe at shaw.ca>,	"Vwdiesel at vwfans.com"
	<Vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Best wishes over the new year...
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Best wishes to all as well.
I have learned much from all of you all well.
can't say thanks enough.
?

Bryan Belman, Pt. Pleasant, NJ
04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp -- running :<)
92 Jetta 1.6 Eco-Turbo Diesel, 5sp -- running :<)
82 Diesel Westy 1.9NA -- running :<)
70 Type 1 stock Elm Green Beetle -- Under Restoration :-)

From: Gerry Wolfe <GerryWolfe at shaw.ca>
To: Vwdiesel at vwfans.com
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:42 PM
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Best wishes over the new year...

This is a? GREAT group of folks!? I thank you all for what I have learned
about? VW diesels from this forum!

rgds, g.

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:37:46 -0600
From: Chris Geiser <cfgeiser at gmail.com>
To: vw fans <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
Subject: [Vwdiesel] thermostat?
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Hi all;

Here in WI it dipped down to 5 degrees (F) this AM.  This is my first cold
weather with the new-to-me 04 TDI. Car sits outside at night.
I did a bunch of city-type driving initially this AM dropping kids at
schools, then I was on the highway for about 20 minutes before I got to
work.  The car did not reach full operating temp during the 30 min of easy
driving (30-45 mph) - temp gauge needle made it about 1/4 of the gauge,
when it usually sits dead center once warm.  It only reached full operating
temp (center of the gauge) once I got on the highway.
I believe the gauge to be accurate from feeling the heater output, which
got warmer as the needle rose.

Anyone else in cold climates -> Is this normal for these cars to have
trouble warming up, or should I think about changing out the thermostat?

TIA;

Chris

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:39:21 -0700
From: Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>
To: Chris Geiser <cfgeiser at gmail.com>, vw fans <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] thermostat?
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Does that model still have the coolant glow plugs? They may be burned out,
and they help the car heat up to normal temperatures.

That or the thermostat is stuck open

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Chris Geiser <cfgeiser at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all;
>
> Here in WI it dipped down to 5 degrees (F) this AM.  This is my first cold
> weather with the new-to-me 04 TDI. Car sits outside at night.
> I did a bunch of city-type driving initially this AM dropping kids at
> schools, then I was on the highway for about 20 minutes before I got to
> work.  The car did not reach full operating temp during the 30 min of easy
> driving (30-45 mph) - temp gauge needle made it about 1/4 of the gauge,
> when it usually sits dead center once warm.  It only reached full
operating
> temp (center of the gauge) once I got on the highway.
> I believe the gauge to be accurate from feeling the heater output, which
> got warmer as the needle rose.
>
> Anyone else in cold climates -> Is this normal for these cars to have
> trouble warming up, or should I think about changing out the thermostat?
>
> TIA;
>
> Chris
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:54:30 -0500 (EST)
From: LBaird119 at aol.com
To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] thermostat?
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In a message dated 1/3/2012 10:37:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
cfgeiser at gmail.com writes:

Anyone  else in cold climates -> Is this normal for these cars to have
trouble  warming up, or should I think about changing out the  thermostat?

Sounds normal for those temps.  Get close to zero and your  heater can
suck off about as much heat as the engine can make short of highway
speeds.
  I drove my Dasher around for about a week, below zero, no  heat.  Figured
the fairly new stat had stuck open.  I lifted the hood to put a  cardboard
in front
of the radiator and the whole rad was packed in snow!  It'd never  gotten
warm
enough to melt any.  Finally hit the highway one day and had heat in a  few
hundred yards.
   Loren

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:07:08 -0800
From: Tad <tadc at europa.com>
To: Chris Geiser <cfgeiser at gmail.com>
Cc: vw fans <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] thermostat?
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Chris - my apologies if I'm stating the obvious, but if you like a warm car
you might consider a frostheater.

http://www.frostheater.com/

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Chris Geiser <cfgeiser at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all;
>
> Here in WI it dipped down to 5 degrees (F) this AM.  This is my first cold
> weather with the new-to-me 04 TDI. Car sits outside at night.
> I did a bunch of city-type driving initially this AM dropping kids at
> schools, then I was on the highway for about 20 minutes before I got to
> work.  The car did not reach full operating temp during the 30 min of easy
> driving (30-45 mph) - temp gauge needle made it about 1/4 of the gauge,
> when it usually sits dead center once warm.  It only reached full
operating
> temp (center of the gauge) once I got on the highway.
> I believe the gauge to be accurate from feeling the heater output, which
> got warmer as the needle rose.
>
> Anyone else in cold climates -> Is this normal for these cars to have
> trouble warming up, or should I think about changing out the thermostat?
>
> TIA;
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
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> Vwdiesel at vwfans.com
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:13:14 -0600
From: Chris Geiser <cfgeiser at gmail.com>
To: Tad <tadc at europa.com>
Cc: vw fans <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] thermostat?
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	<CAJvfqmvw2sVNKyrO-O15SxUv2gJk4=NnAcjN7xDJpsKbXWbp7g at mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Tad - not worried about the heat; first car I ever had with heated
seats so I'm perfectly fine... just trying to figure out if the thermostat
might be bad, or if they really take this long to warm up.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Tad <tadc at europa.com> wrote:

> Chris - my apologies if I'm stating the obvious, but if you like a warm
> car you might consider a frostheater.
>
> http://www.frostheater.com/
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Chris Geiser <cfgeiser at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all;
>>
>> Here in WI it dipped down to 5 degrees (F) this AM.  This is my first
cold
>> weather with the new-to-me 04 TDI. Car sits outside at night.
>> I did a bunch of city-type driving initially this AM dropping kids at
>> schools, then I was on the highway for about 20 minutes before I got to
>> work.  The car did not reach full operating temp during the 30 min of
easy
>> driving (30-45 mph) - temp gauge needle made it about 1/4 of the gauge,
>> when it usually sits dead center once warm.  It only reached full
>> operating
>> temp (center of the gauge) once I got on the highway.
>> I believe the gauge to be accurate from feeling the heater output, which
>> got warmer as the needle rose.
>>
>> Anyone else in cold climates -> Is this normal for these cars to have
>> trouble warming up, or should I think about changing out the thermostat?
>>
>> TIA;
>>
>> Chris
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vwdiesel mailing list
>> Vwdiesel at vwfans.com
>> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
>>
>
>

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:19:56 -0800
From: Tad <tadc at europa.com>
To: Chris Geiser <cfgeiser at gmail.com>
Cc: vw fans <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] thermostat?
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I dont' have any experience in temps that low, but from what I've heard
that sounds pretty normal.  My 01 takes quite a while to heat up even when
it's down in the 20s.

Even a normally functioning 'stat will bypass a certain amount of coolant
into the radiator though, so you could improve your warmup times by using a
radiator blanket - many people use a piece of cardboard like Loren
mentioned.

Also the upper/lower engine covers help a bit if they aren't in place.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Chris Geiser <cfgeiser at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Tad - not worried about the heat; first car I ever had with heated
> seats so I'm perfectly fine... just trying to figure out if the thermostat
> might be bad, or if they really take this long to warm up.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Tad <tadc at europa.com> wrote:
>
>> Chris - my apologies if I'm stating the obvious, but if you like a warm
>> car you might consider a frostheater.
>>
>> http://www.frostheater.com/
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Chris Geiser <cfgeiser at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all;
>>>
>>> Here in WI it dipped down to 5 degrees (F) this AM.  This is my first
>>> cold
>>> weather with the new-to-me 04 TDI. Car sits outside at night.
>>> I did a bunch of city-type driving initially this AM dropping kids at
>>> schools, then I was on the highway for about 20 minutes before I got to
>>> work.  The car did not reach full operating temp during the 30 min of
>>> easy
>>> driving (30-45 mph) - temp gauge needle made it about 1/4 of the gauge,
>>> when it usually sits dead center once warm.  It only reached full
>>> operating
>>> temp (center of the gauge) once I got on the highway.
>>> I believe the gauge to be accurate from feeling the heater output, which
>>> got warmer as the needle rose.
>>>
>>> Anyone else in cold climates -> Is this normal for these cars to have
>>> trouble warming up, or should I think about changing out the thermostat?
>>>
>>> TIA;
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Vwdiesel mailing list
>>> Vwdiesel at vwfans.com
>>> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:30:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Bryan Belman <dieselwesty at yahoo.com>
To: Chris Geiser <cfgeiser at gmail.com>, Tad <tadc at europa.com>
Cc: vw fans <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] thermostat?
Message-ID:
	<1325619010.14095.YahooMailNeo at web112420.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

The thermostat on my 04 TDI is stuck open.? the CEL is one because of it
with a code that indicates it is taking the car to long to come up to
operating temp when driving.
I still get heat in about 4-5 minutes even though my needle is on dead cold
still.
but, not 5 degrees by any means in my neck of the woods.

Bryan Belman, Pt. Pleasant, NJ
04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp -- running :<)
92 Jetta 1.6 Eco-Turbo Diesel, 5sp -- running :<)
82 Diesel Westy 1.9NA -- running :<)
70 Type 1 stock Elm Green Beetle -- Under Restoration :-)

From: Chris Geiser <cfgeiser at gmail.com>
To: Tad <tadc at europa.com>
Cc: vw fans <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] thermostat?

Thanks Tad - not worried about the heat; first car I ever had with heated
seats so I'm perfectly fine... just trying to figure out if the thermostat
might be bad, or if they really take this long to warm up.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Tad <tadc at europa.com> wrote:

> Chris - my apologies if I'm stating the obvious, but if you like a warm
> car you might consider a frostheater.
>
> http://www.frostheater.com/
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Chris Geiser <cfgeiser at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all;
>>
>> Here in WI it dipped down to 5 degrees (F) this AM.? This is my first
cold
>> weather with the new-to-me 04 TDI. Car sits outside at night.
>> I did a bunch of city-type driving initially this AM dropping kids at
>> schools, then I was on the highway for about 20 minutes before I got to
>> work.? The car did not reach full operating temp during the 30 min of
easy
>> driving (30-45 mph) - temp gauge needle made it about 1/4 of the gauge,
>> when it usually sits dead center once warm.? It only reached full
>> operating
>> temp (center of the gauge) once I got on the highway.
>> I believe the gauge to be accurate from feeling the heater output, which
>> got warmer as the needle rose.
>>
>> Anyone else in cold climates -> Is this normal for these cars to have
>> trouble warming up, or should I think about changing out the thermostat?
>>
>> TIA;
>>
>> Chris
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vwdiesel mailing list
>> Vwdiesel at vwfans.com
>> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
>>
>
>
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