[Vwdiesel] thermostat? (fwd)

Tue Jan 3 17:38:46 PST 2012

At 24F, there are few problems getting heat.  And at 24F, there is normally
no problem starting VW IDI or TDI cars, unless there are other issues.
The weak heat was directed at the +5F temps in WI.

Forwarded message:
> 
> I must be driving it just hard enough to get things moving.=A0 24 out now, =
> no plug in at work today, going to be a rough start.=0A=A0=0A=0ABryan Belma=
> n, Pt. Pleasant, NJ=0A04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp -- running :<)=0A92=
>  Jetta 1.6 Eco-Turbo Diesel, 5sp -- running :<)=0A82 Diesel Westy 1.9NA -- =
> running :<)=0A70 Type 1 stock Elm Green Beetle -- Under Restoration :-)=0A=
> =0AFrom: Val Christian <val at mongo.mongobird.com>=0ATo: vwdiesel at vwfans.com =
> =0ASent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 6:39 PM=0ASubject: Re: [Vwdiesel] thermos=
> tat? (fwd)=0A=0APossibly the Turbo, but my 91, NA even with a high temp the=
> rmostat can run =0Afor miles at lower power levels and not get warm when it=
> 's 5F outside.=0ADrive it at 65, and it warms right up, though.=0A=0AI've o=
> wned almost a dozen VW diesels since 1976, and they pretty much don't=0Awar=
> m up until higher speeds, or high alternator loads, when the temps are=0Ado=
> wn near 0F. In 77 and 78, I went to north country (NY) and at -40F, with=0A=
> a custom cardboard radiator insert, it managed to keep the windshield frost=
> =0A(almost) free, but not=A0 the inside toasty.=A0 Back then, I ran 50% #1 =
> kero at=0Athose temps.=A0 At -40F the heat worked OK at 55 MPH or faster.=
> =A0 But not=0Aflatlanding it at 40 MPH.=0A=0ALet's define "easy driving":=
> =A0 If 40 mph, in 4th or 5th gear, flat land, at =0Aabout 0F, it won't warm=
>  up.=A0 If stop/start traffic, no wind, it will warm up.=0AIf 55 to 65 MPH =
> expressway, it will warm up quickly.=A0 =0A=0AAnd if idling with a light (1=
> 0 mph) breeze, it will not warm up much at 0F and=0Awith the same wind at -=
> 20F, with the hood up, it will not warm up much at all.=0AKeeping the cold =
> start out, at lower temps, raises the engine temp faster=0Awhen RPMs are <2=
> 500 RPM.=0A=0A> =0A> The 1.6TD I drive, 92 Eco Diesel, gets heat very quick=
> ly, maybe 5-6 miles o=3D=0A> f easy driving at the most, I wonder why.=3DA0=
>  no coolant glow plugs for sure.=0A> humm?=0A> =3DA0=0A> =0A> Bryan Belman,=
>  Pt. Pleasant, NJ=0A> 04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp -- running :<)=0A> =
> 92 Jetta 1.6 Eco-Turbo Diesel, 5sp -- running :<)=0A> 82 Diesel Westy 1.9NA=
>  -- running :<)=0A> 70 Type 1 stock Elm Green Beetle -- Under Restoration :=
> -)=0A> =0A> From: Val Christian <val at mongo.mongobird.com>=0A> To: vwdiesel@=
> vwfans.com =3D=0A> =0A> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 5:03 PM=0A> Subject:=
>  Re: [Vwdiesel] thermostat? (fwd)=0A> =0A> Pretty Typical.=3DA0 I can run a=
> round with no heat, until I hit the expresswa=3D=0A> y,=0A> then it climbs.=
> =3DA0 It will also use alternator power because it runs the =3D=0A> =0A> co=
> olant glow plugs.=3DA0 When doing the timing best, swap in a 87C thermostat=
> .=0A> IDI car was worse...lower power, no glowplugs in coolant.=3DA0 With t=
> he 91, I =3D=0A> =0A> could drive my daughter to school, and no real heat u=
> ntil I hit the express=3D=0A> way=0A> 25 miles later. =3D=0A> =0A> =0A> The=
> re are reasons why a 6 cyl gasser might be better in the winter.=0A> =0A> I=
>  just can't think of them.=3DA0 =3D=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =
> =0A> Forwarded message:=0A> > =3D=0A> =0A> > Chris - my apologies if I'm st=
> ating the obvious, but if you like a warm c=3D=0A> ar=0A> > you might consi=
> der a frostheater.=0A> > =3D=0A> =0A> > http://www.frostheater.com/=0A> > =
> =3D=0A> =0A> > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Chris Geiser <cfgeiser at gmai=
> l.com> wrote:=0A> > =3D=0A> =0A> > > Hi all;=0A> > >=0A> > > Here in WI it =
> dipped down to 5 degrees (F) this AM.=3DA0 This is my first=3D=0A>=A0 cold=
> =0A> > > weather with the new-to-me 04 TDI. Car sits outside at night.=0A> =
> > > I did a bunch of city-type driving initially this AM dropping kids at=
> =0A> > > schools, then I was on the highway for about 20 minutes before I g=
> ot to=0A> > > work.=3DA0 The car did not reach full operating temp during t=
> he 30 min of=3D=0A>=A0 easy=0A> > > driving (30-45 mph) - temp gauge needle=
>  made it about 1/4 of the gauge,=0A> > > when it usually sits dead center o=
> nce warm.=3DA0 It only reached full ope=3D=0A> rating=0A> > > temp (center =
> of the gauge) once I got on the highway.=0A> > > I believe the gauge to be =
> accurate from feeling the heater output, which=0A> > > got warmer as the ne=
> edle rose.=0A> > >=0A> > > Anyone else in cold climates -> Is this normal f=
> or these cars to have=0A> > > trouble warming up, or should I think about c=
> hanging out the thermostat?=0A> > >=0A> > > TIA;=0A> > >=0A> > > Chris=0A> =
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> ial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style=3D"RIGHT: auto"><SPAN=
>  style=3D"RIGHT: auto">I must be driving it just hard enough to get things =
> moving.  24 out now, no plug in at work today, going to be a rough sta=
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> <div>Bryan Belman, Pt. Pleasant, NJ<BR>04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp --=
>  running :<)<BR>92 Jetta 1.6 Eco-Turbo Diesel, 5sp -- running :<)<BR>=
> 82 Diesel Westy 1.9NA -- running :<)<BR>70 Type 1 stock Elm Green Beetle=
>  -- Under Restoration :-)<BR></div>
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>  contenteditable=3D"false"></DIV><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:=
> </SPAN></B> Val Christian <val at mongo.mongobird.com><BR><B><SPAN style=
> =3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> vwdiesel at vwfans.com <BR><B><SPAN styl=
> e=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, January 3, 2012 6:39 PM<B=
> R><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Vwdiesel] t=
> hermostat? (fwd)<BR></FONT><BR>Possibly the Turbo, but my 91, NA even with =
> a high temp thermostat can run <BR>for miles at lower power levels and not =
> get warm when it's 5F outside.<BR>Drive it at 65, and it warms right up, th=
> ough.<BR><BR>I've owned almost a dozen VW diesels since 1976, and they pret=
> ty much
>  don't<BR>warm up until higher speeds, or high alternator loads, when the t=
> emps are<BR>down near 0F. In 77 and 78, I went to north country (NY) and at=
>  -40F, with<BR>a custom cardboard radiator insert, it managed to keep the w=
> indshield frost<BR>(almost) free, but not  the inside toasty.  Ba=
> ck then, I ran 50% #1 kero at<BR>those temps.  At -40F the heat worked=
>  OK at 55 MPH or faster.  But not<BR>flatlanding it at 40 MPH.<BR><BR>=
> Let's define "easy driving":  If 40 mph, in 4th or 5th gear, flat land=
> , at <BR>about 0F, it won't warm up.  If stop/start traffic, no wind, =
> it will warm up.<BR>If 55 to 65 MPH expressway, it will warm up quickly.&nb=
> sp; <BR><BR>And if idling with a light (10 mph) breeze, it will not warm up=
>  much at 0F and<BR>with the same wind at -20F, with the hood up, it will no=
> t warm up much at all.<BR>Keeping the cold start out, at lower temps, raise=
> s the engine temp faster<BR>when RPMs are <2500 RPM.<BR><BR>>
>  <BR>> The 1.6TD I drive, 92 Eco Diesel, gets heat very quickly, maybe 5=
> -6 miles o=3D<BR>> f easy driving at the most, I wonder why.=3DA0 no coo=
> lant glow plugs for sure.<BR>> humm?<BR>> =3DA0<BR>> <BR>> Brya=
> n Belman, Pt. Pleasant, NJ<BR>> 04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp -- run=
> ning :<)<BR>> 92 Jetta 1.6 Eco-Turbo Diesel, 5sp -- running :<)<BR=
> >> 82 Diesel Westy 1.9NA -- running :<)<BR>> 70 Type 1 stock Elm G=
> reen Beetle -- Under Restoration :-)<BR>> <BR>> From: Val Christian &=
> lt;<A href=3D"mailto:val at mongo.mongobird.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:val at mongo.m=
> ongobird.com">val at mongo.mongobird.com</A>><BR>> To: <A href=3D"mailto=
> :vwdiesel at vwfans.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:vwdiesel at vwfans.com">vwdiesel at vwfan=
> s.com</A> =3D<BR>> <BR>> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 5:03 PM<BR>&g=
> t; Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] thermostat? (fwd)<BR>> <BR>> Pretty Typica=
> l.=3DA0 I can run around with no heat, until I hit the expresswa=3D<BR>>=
>  y,<BR>>
>  then it climbs.=3DA0 It will also use alternator power because it runs the=
>  =3D<BR>> <BR>> coolant glow plugs.=3DA0 When doing the timing best, =
> swap in a 87C thermostat.<BR>> IDI car was worse...lower power, no glowp=
> lugs in coolant.=3DA0 With the 91, I =3D<BR>> <BR>> could drive my da=
> ughter to school, and no real heat until I hit the express=3D<BR>> way<B=
> R>> 25 miles later. =3D<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> There are reasons why =
> a 6 cyl gasser might be better in the winter.<BR>> <BR>> I just can't=
>  think of them.=3DA0 =3D<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>&g=
> t; <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Forwarded message:<BR>> > =3D<BR>> <=
> BR>> > Chris - my apologies if I'm stating the obvious, but if you li=
> ke a warm c=3D<BR>> ar<BR>> > you might consider a frostheater.<BR=
> >> > =3D<BR>> <BR>> > http://www.frostheater.com/<BR>> &g=
> t; =3D<BR>> <BR>> > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Chris Geiser =
> <<A
>  href=3D"mailto:cfgeiser at gmail.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:cfgeiser at gmail.com">c=
> fgeiser at gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> > =3D<BR>> <BR>> > &gt=
> ; Hi all;<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Here in WI it dipped down to =
> 5 degrees (F) this AM.=3DA0 This is my first=3D<BR>>  cold<BR>> =
> > > weather with the new-to-me 04 TDI. Car sits outside at night.<BR>=
> > > > I did a bunch of city-type driving initially this AM droppin=
> g kids at<BR>> > > schools, then I was on the highway for about 20=
>  minutes before I got to<BR>> > > work.=3DA0 The car did not reach=
>  full operating temp during the 30 min of=3D<BR>>  easy<BR>> &gt=
> ; > driving (30-45 mph) - temp gauge needle made it about 1/4 of the gau=
> ge,<BR>> > > when it usually sits dead center once warm.=3DA0 It o=
> nly reached full ope=3D<BR>> rating<BR>> > > temp (center of th=
> e gauge) once I got on the highway.<BR>> > > I believe the gauge t=
> o be
>  accurate from feeling the heater output, which<BR>> > > got warme=
> r as the needle rose.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Anyone else in co=
> ld climates -> Is this normal for these cars to have<BR>> > > t=
> rouble warming up, or should I think about changing out the thermostat?<BR>=
> > > ><BR>> > > TIA;<BR>> > ><BR>> > > C=
> hris<BR>> > > _______________________________________________<BR>&=
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