[Vwdiesel] Putting turbo on a na 1.6?

Mon Apr 1 02:36:13 PDT 2013

I will soon be able to afford to purchase one to rebuild. Then save for
parts and machine work.

Velma 82 na diesel westy
On Mar 31, 2013 8:05 PM, "Andrew .Libby" <libbybapa at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, pretty much with a few differences.  The AAZ filter flange, turbo oil
> return line and oil supply line will not fit the 1.6.  You'll also need to
> redo the exhaust for the turbo and sort out a new air filter.  Honestly, if
> you have the funds for purchasing the AAZ engine, just install it.  Most of
> the install effort for the AAZ is in the intake/exhaust and turbo oil
> lines...
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:00 PM, ralph meyermann <ralphmeyermann at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> So a setup from an AAZ will bolt up and work?  If so I'll go that route,
>> planning on an AAZ in the future anyway.
>>
>> Velma 82 na diesel westy
>> On Mar 30, 2013 10:05 AM, "Andrew .Libby" <libbybapa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You might want to post up a wanted add on www.vwdiesel.net and the
>>> Vortex.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:37 AM, ralph meyermann <
>>> ralphmeyermann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone have these said parts lying around and willing to part with??
>>>>
>>>> Velma 82 na diesel westy
>>>> On Mar 30, 2013 9:25 AM, "Andrew .Libby" <libbybapa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> WRT turbo choice on a 1.6TD vanagon, here is some info I previously
>>>>> posted on another forum:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have always preferred to have more boost in the lower rpms in order
>>>>> to help get the big box moving.  I don't tend to rev it high and so having
>>>>> the boost at lower rpms is important.  The other factor to consider with
>>>>> the vanagon installation is whether or not the turbo interferes with any of
>>>>> the engine mounting components and what work is necessary to eliminate that
>>>>> interference.  There were basically 5 different turbo-chargers used on the
>>>>> 1.6TD and 1.9TD engines and provided the appropriate manifold is used, will
>>>>> all bolt up to the cylinder head.  They were the T3, K24, K14, T2, and K03.
>>>>>  The mounting interference issues of the K24, T3 and K14 can be eliminated
>>>>> using the Quantum/Vanagon exhaust manifold, but that approach introduces
>>>>> other issues with oil drainage and intake plumbing and so is an approach I
>>>>> do not favor.
>>>>>
>>>>> The T3 and K24 have the same (or very similar) boost characteristics
>>>>> and are both just plain too large for the 1.6TD in a vanagon.  Boost
>>>>> doesn't start until about 3,000-3,500 rpms and you can literally get stuck
>>>>> in 2nd gear on moderate grades and even if you rev it to the limit, you
>>>>> cannot shift fast enough to be above the boost threshold in 3rd and without
>>>>> any boost you cannot accelerate.  This effect is most apparent at higher
>>>>> altitudes, but those turbos are irritating even at lower altitudes.  The
>>>>> K24 and T3 also both severely interfere with the driver's side mounting
>>>>> bracket.
>>>>>
>>>>> The T2 and K03 are the smallest of the 5 turbos and share the same (or
>>>>> very similar) boost characteristics as each other.  Their boost threshold
>>>>> is below idle and so you will see basically instant boost when letting the
>>>>> clutch out.  Full boost is developed by 2,000 rpms.  They don't ever give
>>>>> the punch of the larger turbos because they are always developing some
>>>>> boost right from idle.  They do restrict the exhaust more than the larger
>>>>> turbos and so comparatively hurt high-rpm power some.  The K03 when used
>>>>> with the 1.6TD has a very slight interference with the driver's side engine
>>>>> mounting bracket which is very easily eliminated.  The k03 does not have
>>>>> any interference when used with the 1.9TD.  I have not personally used a T2
>>>>> in a vanagon, but saw someone else's install on a 1.9TD and it appeared to
>>>>> clear the mounting components without issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last option is the K14.  It is middle-of-the-road as far as size
>>>>> is concerned.  It is a much better turbo than the K24 and T3.  It flows as
>>>>> well as the larger ones at higher rpms and yet spools at least 1,000 rpms
>>>>> sooner.  There is some lag, but you definitely feel the boost kick in more
>>>>> than with the k03.  The K14 flows better at high-rpms than the K03.  The
>>>>> K14 is a significant interference with the driver's side mounting bracket
>>>>> and requires significant modification to the mounting bracket."
>>>>>
>>>>> The overall performance of the K14 is my personal preference but the
>>>>> installation is definitely more difficult.  IMO, the easiest way to
>>>>> eliminate the interference with the K14, is to chop the nose off the
>>>>> aluminum mounting bracket and then bolt a piece of 3/8" steel to the bottom
>>>>> of it with an appropriate bend and hole.  Then drop the front of the
>>>>> carrier bar 3/4" by adding a spacer, and the engine geometry remains the
>>>>> same as it was.  The slight interference with with the k03 mounted to the
>>>>> 1.6TD can be eliminated by grinding or cutting the mounting bracket
>>>>> slightly.
>>>>>
>>>>> To sum up, if you are planning on using a wastegated turbo on a 1.6TD
>>>>> in a vanagon, DO NOT use a K24 or T3.  Use either a K14 if you don't mind a
>>>>> little lag and can do the fabrication necessary or use a K03/T2 from an AAZ
>>>>> with matching manifold for fastest spool with a little loss of top-end but
>>>>> an easy installation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Andrew .Libby <libbybapa at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> He sells low-quality aftermarket made-in-China knock-off parts.  Many
>>>>>> of the items he sells will not work as described and his customer service
>>>>>> after a sale is non-existent.  He has a terrible reputation in the greater
>>>>>> VW community.  On a positive note, there are some parts he sells that ARE
>>>>>> good deals, there's just an even lower occurrence than at Harbor Freight.
>>>>>>  Just use good judgement and know that you are taking a risk.  IMO, you
>>>>>> would be better served by purchasing used OEM parts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Being that you have a vanagon, I would recommend sourcing an AAZ K03
>>>>>> or T2 with matching manifold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:14 AM, ralph meyermann <
>>>>>> ralphmeyermann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> appears to be  prothe, I'm taking it thats its no good?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Velma 82 na diesel westy
>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2013 9:10 AM, "Andrew .Libby" <libbybapa at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's the seller's username?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:08 AM, ralph meyermann <
>>>>>>>> ralphmeyermann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm unsure on what you're trying to explain, its an eBay deal for
>>>>>>>>> 480 bucks???
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Velma 82 na diesel westy
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2013 8:21 AM, "Andrew .Libby" <libbybapa at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please tell me it isn't a 'prothe' kit (hansdiesel, emiata, etc,
>>>>>>>>>> etc...).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 6:18 AM, ralph meyermann <
>>>>>>>>>> ralphmeyermann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I found a kit having intake and exhaust manifolds, turbo and
>>>>>>>>>>> down pipe for
>>>>>>>>>>> $480.00. I'll probably need gaskets and plumbing. I can fab up
>>>>>>>>>>> the intake
>>>>>>>>>>> and exhaust plumbing. Thanks Volks!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Velma 82 na diesel westy
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2013 1:58 AM, <lbaird119 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >   Pretty much what James said.
>>>>>>>>>>> >   I have a Dasher turbo and it was just "bolted on" when I got
>>>>>>>>>>> it, so no
>>>>>>>>>>> > extra fuel.  It was nice
>>>>>>>>>>> > but not terribly impressive and unless you turn up your fuel
>>>>>>>>>>> don't worry
>>>>>>>>>>> > about spending the
>>>>>>>>>>> > money on an EGT or oil temp gauges.  Mine wouldn't hit 600F on
>>>>>>>>>>> a hill,
>>>>>>>>>>> > full load on a hot day!
>>>>>>>>>>> > Turbo makes it run cooler not hotter.  It's the more fuel you
>>>>>>>>>>> then add
>>>>>>>>>>> > that makes it hot again
>>>>>>>>>>> > or hotter.  THAT'S when you need the EGT and even then, if you
>>>>>>>>>>> don't go to
>>>>>>>>>>> > the max, you'll
>>>>>>>>>>> > stand a 95% chance of being just fine.  Oil temp gauge is nice
>>>>>>>>>>> but nearly
>>>>>>>>>>> > useless.  No oil
>>>>>>>>>>> > cooler on the Dasher and the oil temp only went up on hills on
>>>>>>>>>>> warm + days
>>>>>>>>>>> > AFTER I added
>>>>>>>>>>> > cooling jets.  With my makeshift cooling jets and a turbo, the
>>>>>>>>>>> oil pump is
>>>>>>>>>>> > insufficient and you
>>>>>>>>>>> > need the 36mm gear pump.  It has a NA pump on it that's turned
>>>>>>>>>>> up to an
>>>>>>>>>>> > absolute max of
>>>>>>>>>>> > 1300F pre turbine (takes quite a load and hill to hit it).
>>>>>>>>>>>  You have to
>>>>>>>>>>> > regulate smoke with
>>>>>>>>>>> > how much throttle you use according to how much load, boost,
>>>>>>>>>>> etc.  It gets
>>>>>>>>>>> > pretty second
>>>>>>>>>>> > nature pretty fast.  A boost pressure gauge is nice but really
>>>>>>>>>>> not all the
>>>>>>>>>>> > usefull other than
>>>>>>>>>>> > setting the system up, if it's an aftermarket or scratchbuilt
>>>>>>>>>>> setup.
>>>>>>>>>>> >   Am in the process of putting a turbo on my 1.5 Rabbit.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >   Bolt it on, turn up the fuel a little and you will be fairly
>>>>>>>>>>> happy.  Put
>>>>>>>>>>> > a 2.5" exhaust and turn
>>>>>>>>>>> > the fuel up a little more and it'll be fun.  That's when it's
>>>>>>>>>>> time to get
>>>>>>>>>>> > the pyrometer.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >     Loren
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> > From: ralph meyermann <ralphmeyermann at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> > To: vwdiesel <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> > Sent: Fri, Mar 29, 2013 8:08 am
>>>>>>>>>>> > Subject: [Vwdiesel] Putting turbo on a na 1.6?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Hi Folks! I was wondering if there would be any issues putting
>>>>>>>>>>> a turbo set
>>>>>>>>>>> > p on my na?  Just want something more out of what I have to
>>>>>>>>>>> get by until
>>>>>>>>>>> > he AAZ. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>> > elma 82 na diesel westy
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