[Vwdiesel] Putting turbo on a na 1.6?

ralph meyermann ralphmeyermann at gmail.com
Sun Mar 31 18:00:28 PDT 2013 

So a setup from an AAZ will bolt up and work?  If so I'll go that route,
planning on an AAZ in the future anyway.

Velma 82 na diesel westy
On Mar 30, 2013 10:05 AM, "Andrew .Libby" <libbybapa at gmail.com> wrote:

> You might want to post up a wanted add on www.vwdiesel.net and the Vortex.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:37 AM, ralph meyermann <ralphmeyermann at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Anyone have these said parts lying around and willing to part with??
>>
>> Velma 82 na diesel westy
>> On Mar 30, 2013 9:25 AM, "Andrew .Libby" <libbybapa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> WRT turbo choice on a 1.6TD vanagon, here is some info I previously
>>> posted on another forum:
>>>
>>> I have always preferred to have more boost in the lower rpms in order to
>>> help get the big box moving.  I don't tend to rev it high and so having the
>>> boost at lower rpms is important.  The other factor to consider with the
>>> vanagon installation is whether or not the turbo interferes with any of the
>>> engine mounting components and what work is necessary to eliminate that
>>> interference.  There were basically 5 different turbo-chargers used on the
>>> 1.6TD and 1.9TD engines and provided the appropriate manifold is used, will
>>> all bolt up to the cylinder head.  They were the T3, K24, K14, T2, and K03.
>>>  The mounting interference issues of the K24, T3 and K14 can be eliminated
>>> using the Quantum/Vanagon exhaust manifold, but that approach introduces
>>> other issues with oil drainage and intake plumbing and so is an approach I
>>> do not favor.
>>>
>>> The T3 and K24 have the same (or very similar) boost characteristics and
>>> are both just plain too large for the 1.6TD in a vanagon.  Boost doesn't
>>> start until about 3,000-3,500 rpms and you can literally get stuck in 2nd
>>> gear on moderate grades and even if you rev it to the limit, you cannot
>>> shift fast enough to be above the boost threshold in 3rd and without any
>>> boost you cannot accelerate.  This effect is most apparent at higher
>>> altitudes, but those turbos are irritating even at lower altitudes.  The
>>> K24 and T3 also both severely interfere with the driver's side mounting
>>> bracket.
>>>
>>> The T2 and K03 are the smallest of the 5 turbos and share the same (or
>>> very similar) boost characteristics as each other.  Their boost threshold
>>> is below idle and so you will see basically instant boost when letting the
>>> clutch out.  Full boost is developed by 2,000 rpms.  They don't ever give
>>> the punch of the larger turbos because they are always developing some
>>> boost right from idle.  They do restrict the exhaust more than the larger
>>> turbos and so comparatively hurt high-rpm power some.  The K03 when used
>>> with the 1.6TD has a very slight interference with the driver's side engine
>>> mounting bracket which is very easily eliminated.  The k03 does not have
>>> any interference when used with the 1.9TD.  I have not personally used a T2
>>> in a vanagon, but saw someone else's install on a 1.9TD and it appeared to
>>> clear the mounting components without issue.
>>>
>>> The last option is the K14.  It is middle-of-the-road as far as size is
>>> concerned.  It is a much better turbo than the K24 and T3.  It flows as
>>> well as the larger ones at higher rpms and yet spools at least 1,000 rpms
>>> sooner.  There is some lag, but you definitely feel the boost kick in more
>>> than with the k03.  The K14 flows better at high-rpms than the K03.  The
>>> K14 is a significant interference with the driver's side mounting bracket
>>> and requires significant modification to the mounting bracket."
>>>
>>> The overall performance of the K14 is my personal preference but the
>>> installation is definitely more difficult.  IMO, the easiest way to
>>> eliminate the interference with the K14, is to chop the nose off the
>>> aluminum mounting bracket and then bolt a piece of 3/8" steel to the bottom
>>> of it with an appropriate bend and hole.  Then drop the front of the
>>> carrier bar 3/4" by adding a spacer, and the engine geometry remains the
>>> same as it was.  The slight interference with with the k03 mounted to the
>>> 1.6TD can be eliminated by grinding or cutting the mounting bracket
>>> slightly.
>>>
>>> To sum up, if you are planning on using a wastegated turbo on a 1.6TD in
>>> a vanagon, DO NOT use a K24 or T3.  Use either a K14 if you don't mind a
>>> little lag and can do the fabrication necessary or use a K03/T2 from an AAZ
>>> with matching manifold for fastest spool with a little loss of top-end but
>>> an easy installation.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Andrew .Libby <libbybapa at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> He sells low-quality aftermarket made-in-China knock-off parts.  Many
>>>> of the items he sells will not work as described and his customer service
>>>> after a sale is non-existent.  He has a terrible reputation in the greater
>>>> VW community.  On a positive note, there are some parts he sells that ARE
>>>> good deals, there's just an even lower occurrence than at Harbor Freight.
>>>>  Just use good judgement and know that you are taking a risk.  IMO, you
>>>> would be better served by purchasing used OEM parts.
>>>>
>>>> Being that you have a vanagon, I would recommend sourcing an AAZ K03 or
>>>> T2 with matching manifold.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:14 AM, ralph meyermann <
>>>> ralphmeyermann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> appears to be  prothe, I'm taking it thats its no good?
>>>>>
>>>>> Velma 82 na diesel westy
>>>>> On Mar 30, 2013 9:10 AM, "Andrew .Libby" <libbybapa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What's the seller's username?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:08 AM, ralph meyermann <
>>>>>> ralphmeyermann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm unsure on what you're trying to explain, its an eBay deal for
>>>>>>> 480 bucks???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Velma 82 na diesel westy
>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2013 8:21 AM, "Andrew .Libby" <libbybapa at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please tell me it isn't a 'prothe' kit (hansdiesel, emiata, etc,
>>>>>>>> etc...).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 6:18 AM, ralph meyermann <
>>>>>>>> ralphmeyermann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I found a kit having intake and exhaust manifolds, turbo and down
>>>>>>>>> pipe for
>>>>>>>>> $480.00. I'll probably need gaskets and plumbing. I can fab up the
>>>>>>>>> intake
>>>>>>>>> and exhaust plumbing. Thanks Volks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Velma 82 na diesel westy
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2013 1:58 AM, <lbaird119 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >   Pretty much what James said.
>>>>>>>>> >   I have a Dasher turbo and it was just "bolted on" when I got
>>>>>>>>> it, so no
>>>>>>>>> > extra fuel.  It was nice
>>>>>>>>> > but not terribly impressive and unless you turn up your fuel
>>>>>>>>> don't worry
>>>>>>>>> > about spending the
>>>>>>>>> > money on an EGT or oil temp gauges.  Mine wouldn't hit 600F on a
>>>>>>>>> hill,
>>>>>>>>> > full load on a hot day!
>>>>>>>>> > Turbo makes it run cooler not hotter.  It's the more fuel you
>>>>>>>>> then add
>>>>>>>>> > that makes it hot again
>>>>>>>>> > or hotter.  THAT'S when you need the EGT and even then, if you
>>>>>>>>> don't go to
>>>>>>>>> > the max, you'll
>>>>>>>>> > stand a 95% chance of being just fine.  Oil temp gauge is nice
>>>>>>>>> but nearly
>>>>>>>>> > useless.  No oil
>>>>>>>>> > cooler on the Dasher and the oil temp only went up on hills on
>>>>>>>>> warm + days
>>>>>>>>> > AFTER I added
>>>>>>>>> > cooling jets.  With my makeshift cooling jets and a turbo, the
>>>>>>>>> oil pump is
>>>>>>>>> > insufficient and you
>>>>>>>>> > need the 36mm gear pump.  It has a NA pump on it that's turned
>>>>>>>>> up to an
>>>>>>>>> > absolute max of
>>>>>>>>> > 1300F pre turbine (takes quite a load and hill to hit it).  You
>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>> > regulate smoke with
>>>>>>>>> > how much throttle you use according to how much load, boost,
>>>>>>>>> etc.  It gets
>>>>>>>>> > pretty second
>>>>>>>>> > nature pretty fast.  A boost pressure gauge is nice but really
>>>>>>>>> not all the
>>>>>>>>> > usefull other than
>>>>>>>>> > setting the system up, if it's an aftermarket or scratchbuilt
>>>>>>>>> setup.
>>>>>>>>> >   Am in the process of putting a turbo on my 1.5 Rabbit.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >   Bolt it on, turn up the fuel a little and you will be fairly
>>>>>>>>> happy.  Put
>>>>>>>>> > a 2.5" exhaust and turn
>>>>>>>>> > the fuel up a little more and it'll be fun.  That's when it's
>>>>>>>>> time to get
>>>>>>>>> > the pyrometer.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >     Loren
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> > From: ralph meyermann <ralphmeyermann at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> > To: vwdiesel <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>>>>>>>>> > Sent: Fri, Mar 29, 2013 8:08 am
>>>>>>>>> > Subject: [Vwdiesel] Putting turbo on a na 1.6?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Hi Folks! I was wondering if there would be any issues putting a
>>>>>>>>> turbo set
>>>>>>>>> > p on my na?  Just want something more out of what I have to get
>>>>>>>>> by until
>>>>>>>>> > he AAZ. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>> > elma 82 na diesel westy
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