[Vwdiesel] Putting turbo on a na 1.6?

Andrew .Libby libbybapa at gmail.com
Sat Mar 30 08:05:43 PDT 2013 

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On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:37 AM, ralph meyermann
<ralphmeyermann at gmail.com>wrote:

> Anyone have these said parts lying around and willing to part with??
>
> Velma 82 na diesel westy
> On Mar 30, 2013 9:25 AM, "Andrew .Libby" <libbybapa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> WRT turbo choice on a 1.6TD vanagon, here is some info I previously
>> posted on another forum:
>>
>> I have always preferred to have more boost in the lower rpms in order to
>> help get the big box moving.  I don't tend to rev it high and so having the
>> boost at lower rpms is important.  The other factor to consider with the
>> vanagon installation is whether or not the turbo interferes with any of the
>> engine mounting components and what work is necessary to eliminate that
>> interference.  There were basically 5 different turbo-chargers used on the
>> 1.6TD and 1.9TD engines and provided the appropriate manifold is used, will
>> all bolt up to the cylinder head.  They were the T3, K24, K14, T2, and K03.
>>  The mounting interference issues of the K24, T3 and K14 can be eliminated
>> using the Quantum/Vanagon exhaust manifold, but that approach introduces
>> other issues with oil drainage and intake plumbing and so is an approach I
>> do not favor.
>>
>> The T3 and K24 have the same (or very similar) boost characteristics and
>> are both just plain too large for the 1.6TD in a vanagon.  Boost doesn't
>> start until about 3,000-3,500 rpms and you can literally get stuck in 2nd
>> gear on moderate grades and even if you rev it to the limit, you cannot
>> shift fast enough to be above the boost threshold in 3rd and without any
>> boost you cannot accelerate.  This effect is most apparent at higher
>> altitudes, but those turbos are irritating even at lower altitudes.  The
>> K24 and T3 also both severely interfere with the driver's side mounting
>> bracket.
>>
>> The T2 and K03 are the smallest of the 5 turbos and share the same (or
>> very similar) boost characteristics as each other.  Their boost threshold
>> is below idle and so you will see basically instant boost when letting the
>> clutch out.  Full boost is developed by 2,000 rpms.  They don't ever give
>> the punch of the larger turbos because they are always developing some
>> boost right from idle.  They do restrict the exhaust more than the larger
>> turbos and so comparatively hurt high-rpm power some.  The K03 when used
>> with the 1.6TD has a very slight interference with the driver's side engine
>> mounting bracket which is very easily eliminated.  The k03 does not have
>> any interference when used with the 1.9TD.  I have not personally used a T2
>> in a vanagon, but saw someone else's install on a 1.9TD and it appeared to
>> clear the mounting components without issue.
>>
>> The last option is the K14.  It is middle-of-the-road as far as size is
>> concerned.  It is a much better turbo than the K24 and T3.  It flows as
>> well as the larger ones at higher rpms and yet spools at least 1,000 rpms
>> sooner.  There is some lag, but you definitely feel the boost kick in more
>> than with the k03.  The K14 flows better at high-rpms than the K03.  The
>> K14 is a significant interference with the driver's side mounting bracket
>> and requires significant modification to the mounting bracket."
>>
>> The overall performance of the K14 is my personal preference but the
>> installation is definitely more difficult.  IMO, the easiest way to
>> eliminate the interference with the K14, is to chop the nose off the
>> aluminum mounting bracket and then bolt a piece of 3/8" steel to the bottom
>> of it with an appropriate bend and hole.  Then drop the front of the
>> carrier bar 3/4" by adding a spacer, and the engine geometry remains the
>> same as it was.  The slight interference with with the k03 mounted to the
>> 1.6TD can be eliminated by grinding or cutting the mounting bracket
>> slightly.
>>
>> To sum up, if you are planning on using a wastegated turbo on a 1.6TD in
>> a vanagon, DO NOT use a K24 or T3.  Use either a K14 if you don't mind a
>> little lag and can do the fabrication necessary or use a K03/T2 from an AAZ
>> with matching manifold for fastest spool with a little loss of top-end but
>> an easy installation.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Andrew .Libby <libbybapa at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> He sells low-quality aftermarket made-in-China knock-off parts.  Many of
>>> the items he sells will not work as described and his customer service
>>> after a sale is non-existent.  He has a terrible reputation in the greater
>>> VW community.  On a positive note, there are some parts he sells that ARE
>>> good deals, there's just an even lower occurrence than at Harbor Freight.
>>>  Just use good judgement and know that you are taking a risk.  IMO, you
>>> would be better served by purchasing used OEM parts.
>>>
>>> Being that you have a vanagon, I would recommend sourcing an AAZ K03 or
>>> T2 with matching manifold.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:14 AM, ralph meyermann <
>>> ralphmeyermann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> appears to be  prothe, I'm taking it thats its no good?
>>>>
>>>> Velma 82 na diesel westy
>>>> On Mar 30, 2013 9:10 AM, "Andrew .Libby" <libbybapa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What's the seller's username?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:08 AM, ralph meyermann <
>>>>> ralphmeyermann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm unsure on what you're trying to explain, its an eBay deal for 480
>>>>>> bucks???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Velma 82 na diesel westy
>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2013 8:21 AM, "Andrew .Libby" <libbybapa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please tell me it isn't a 'prothe' kit (hansdiesel, emiata, etc,
>>>>>>> etc...).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 6:18 AM, ralph meyermann <
>>>>>>> ralphmeyermann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I found a kit having intake and exhaust manifolds, turbo and down
>>>>>>>> pipe for
>>>>>>>> $480.00. I'll probably need gaskets and plumbing. I can fab up the
>>>>>>>> intake
>>>>>>>> and exhaust plumbing. Thanks Volks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Velma 82 na diesel westy
>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2013 1:58 AM, <lbaird119 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >   Pretty much what James said.
>>>>>>>> >   I have a Dasher turbo and it was just "bolted on" when I got
>>>>>>>> it, so no
>>>>>>>> > extra fuel.  It was nice
>>>>>>>> > but not terribly impressive and unless you turn up your fuel
>>>>>>>> don't worry
>>>>>>>> > about spending the
>>>>>>>> > money on an EGT or oil temp gauges.  Mine wouldn't hit 600F on a
>>>>>>>> hill,
>>>>>>>> > full load on a hot day!
>>>>>>>> > Turbo makes it run cooler not hotter.  It's the more fuel you
>>>>>>>> then add
>>>>>>>> > that makes it hot again
>>>>>>>> > or hotter.  THAT'S when you need the EGT and even then, if you
>>>>>>>> don't go to
>>>>>>>> > the max, you'll
>>>>>>>> > stand a 95% chance of being just fine.  Oil temp gauge is nice
>>>>>>>> but nearly
>>>>>>>> > useless.  No oil
>>>>>>>> > cooler on the Dasher and the oil temp only went up on hills on
>>>>>>>> warm + days
>>>>>>>> > AFTER I added
>>>>>>>> > cooling jets.  With my makeshift cooling jets and a turbo, the
>>>>>>>> oil pump is
>>>>>>>> > insufficient and you
>>>>>>>> > need the 36mm gear pump.  It has a NA pump on it that's turned up
>>>>>>>> to an
>>>>>>>> > absolute max of
>>>>>>>> > 1300F pre turbine (takes quite a load and hill to hit it).  You
>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>> > regulate smoke with
>>>>>>>> > how much throttle you use according to how much load, boost, etc.
>>>>>>>>  It gets
>>>>>>>> > pretty second
>>>>>>>> > nature pretty fast.  A boost pressure gauge is nice but really
>>>>>>>> not all the
>>>>>>>> > usefull other than
>>>>>>>> > setting the system up, if it's an aftermarket or scratchbuilt
>>>>>>>> setup.
>>>>>>>> >   Am in the process of putting a turbo on my 1.5 Rabbit.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >   Bolt it on, turn up the fuel a little and you will be fairly
>>>>>>>> happy.  Put
>>>>>>>> > a 2.5" exhaust and turn
>>>>>>>> > the fuel up a little more and it'll be fun.  That's when it's
>>>>>>>> time to get
>>>>>>>> > the pyrometer.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >     Loren
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> > From: ralph meyermann <ralphmeyermann at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> > To: vwdiesel <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>>>>>>>> > Sent: Fri, Mar 29, 2013 8:08 am
>>>>>>>> > Subject: [Vwdiesel] Putting turbo on a na 1.6?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Hi Folks! I was wondering if there would be any issues putting a
>>>>>>>> turbo set
>>>>>>>> > p on my na?  Just want something more out of what I have to get
>>>>>>>> by until
>>>>>>>> > he AAZ. Thanks!
>>>>>>>> > elma 82 na diesel westy
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