[Vwdiesel] Injection pump timing?

Fri Jan 24 15:05:29 PST 2014

That's 0.85mm. Your dial indicator, as it is metric will be either 1mm per rotation, or 0.5 mm per rotation [of the large scale]. Yesterday I added to my collection with 
another imperial one that does 10 thou per revolution... Well @ $7=50 equiv, I couldn't leave it :o)

Mark

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Message Received: Jan 24 2014, 10:43 PM
From: "ralph meyermann" 
To: "Mark Shepherd" 
Cc: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Injection pump timing?

Is that metric or sae value? My dial indicator is 0-5 mm?

Velma 82 1.9L AAZ td westy
On Jan 24, 2014 4:40 PM, "Mark Shepherd"  wrote:

> That pump is correct for AAZ Golf/Vento/Seat Cordoba 1.9TD.
> Timing setting is 0.9 or 0.8. The two values may be linked to single or
> dual spring options. Duel spring actually have lower break pressures..
> Howeve, never confuse 'book timing' with 'tuning', and I suggest going in
> the middle @0.85 and tuning either side until engine's response best suits
> your driving style.
>
> Mark
>
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> Message Received: Jan 24 2014, 07:28 PM
> From: "ralph meyermann"
> To: lbaird119 at aol.com
> Cc: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Injection pump timing?
>
> The pump shows an R 433-2 then a BS-4022 ? Pretty sure, hard to read still
> after wire brush and wd40.
>
> Velma 82 1.9L AAZ td westy
> On Jan 24, 2014 12:54 PM, "ralph meyermann"
> wrote:
>
> > Finally my timing tools showed up, they mailed to my po box , the package
> > was too big and they close before I get off work, daughter was home sick
> > today and I picked it up. Now about 30 degrees out to try and read the
> > numbers on my pump, lots of oxidation and has been too cold to fiddle
> with
> > it. The large numbers right??
> >
> > Velma 82 1.9L AAZ td westy
> > On Dec 30, 2013 11:39 PM, wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Well, that's pretty much what I was thinking but temps (coolant, intake
> >> and fuel) all seem to be reasonably close. I was expecting to see one
> way
> >> off but I didn't find any that were. Not sure how to log on. I have a
> >> "smart cable" thanks to a list member, and it just connects. I was
> having
> >> a "data has been altered" error and it wouldn't let me clear errors
> even.
> >> Put the factory chips back in, presuming a glitch on the performance
> >> chips, from the previous ECU frying. I can clear codes but still can't
> get
> >> into the adaptation. Not sure if I'm doing something wrong or there's
> just
> >> a problem.
> >> It runs like it should when the "correction" gets disabled. I struck
> >> me that I never changed anything when I put this ECU in, so it's
> probably
> >> timed for the engine it came off of. Mine happened to time darn close to
> >> perfect when I put the new belt on.
> >> Loren
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Tad
> >> To: LBaird119 at aol.com
> >> Cc: mailing list
> >> Sent: Mon, Dec 30, 2013 1:58 pm
> >> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Injection pump timing?
> >>
> >>
> >> Loren, sounds to me like the Passat has an issue with one of its temp
> >> sensors.
> >>
> >>
> >> When you go into Basic Settings, it disables the dynamic timing
> >> adjustment and you're running the "mechanical" timing, i.e. it's
> injecting
> >> according to how it's physically timed by the setting of the
> pulley/belt.
> >>
> >>
> >> If it's running better *without* the ECU "fixing" the timing, the ECU
> >> must think it's much warmer than it really is (either fuel, coolant or
> >> intake air temp).
> >>
> >>
> >> It's been a while since I used my VagCom but IIRC the adaptation problem
> >> means you're not logged in to the ECU correctly?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:19 PM, wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Heh! I have several smoking-when-cold diesels and I figure the problem
> >> is retarded timing. Dad said one day, he didn't know which smoked worse;
> >> the stove (starting up) or the Tractor!! (a SAME, pronounced sah-may)
> >> The passat is really bad but clears up when it warms up. Temp sensors
> >> all show relatively correct (didn't check if EXACT). If I go to "basic
> >> settings" when I get to 004, the idle smooths out, speeds up, sounds
> much
> >> better and the timing goes from barely BTDC to about 8 degrees BTDC. If
> I
> >> go to adaptation, all chanels come up as not available! Ugh. Beginning
> to
> >> hate the electronic part of the TDI.
> >>
> >> Replaced the top rad hose-to-head, flange yesterday. No cracks but
> >> it'd been leaking. Appeared to just be the o-ring but replaced the whole
> >> thing BEFORE it cracked.
> >> Loren
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jason
> >> To: ralph meyermann
> >> Cc: vw fans
> >> Sent: Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:39 pm
> >> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Injection pump timing?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Here is a modification I recommend for the AAZ pump. There is a timing
> >>
> >> etard solenoid on the front of the pump. Wire it to be powered full time
> >>
> >> ith the fuel shut off switch. Then re-time it as you would a 1.6TD. I
> >>
> >> eem to recall .95 working well. That solenoid retards fuel timing below
> >>
> >>
> >> 000 rpm for emissions. It also reduces performance.
> >> Jason
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 7:54 PM, ralph meyermann
> >> ralphmeyermann at gmail.com>wrote:
> >> > I'll, get the part number off the pump to make sure. That'll probably
> >> be on
> >> Sunday.
> >>
> >> Velma 82 1.9L AAZ td westy
> >> On Dec 27, 2013 12:40 PM, wrote:
> >>
> >> > Unfortunately there are two different specs for AAZ timing. On pump is
> >> > timed like all the previous 1.6’s the other is not.. I have the
> >> > instructions somewhere for the one that is not, I believe. Haydeh
> >> >
> >> > On Dec 27, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Bryan Belman
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Loren, he is using the 1.9TD pump from an AAZ. I have one in the
> >> > garage, I will get the part number.
> >> > > I need the timing spec as well for another day when I get the pump
> on
> >> > the block.
> >> > > I just googled and found this for 1.9TD AAZ pump.
> >> > > MK3 / A3 chassis (1993-1997):
> >> > > Engine AAZ (1.9l turbo) 0.80
> >> > > +/- 0.02 mm
> >> > >
> >> > > Wow, check this guys directions out on how to do the pump timing.
> >> > > Incredible, thank you so much for creating this.
> >> > > I wish I had found this 15 years ago.
> >> > > I do it so little that I always need to reference my notes when
> >> setting
> >> > pump timing.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> http://vincewaldon.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=26
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > My 1.9NA pump is .090mm +/- a bit.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Bryan Belman, Pt. Pleasant, NJ
> >> > > 04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD BEW, 100hp, 5sp -- running :<)
> >> > > 04 Golf TDI PD BEW, 100hp, 5sp Tiptronic Auto -- running :<)
> >> > > 82 Diesel Westy 1.9NA 1Y -- running :<)
> >> > > 70 Type 1 Beetle -- Under Restoration forever:-)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Friday, December 27, 2013 6:02 AM, "lbaird119 at aol.com" <
> >> > lbaird119 at aol.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm not a big fan of just putting in a lower temp thermoswitch.
> >> > They're designed to go with the thermostat. Change stat temp, change
> >> the
> >> > thermoswitch. Just change one and not use the correct one of the other
> >> and
> >> > the fan will either run way too much or not enough.
> >> > > Make sure you're actually running hot, with a thermometer (IR or
> >> what
> >> > have you) rather than just using the gauge. They vary. Only in a
> >> Vanagon
> >> > would I suspect the timing could be off enough to overheat but power
> >> should
> >> > be equally low. What the pump number in case someone has the specs?
> >> > Should be 068...
> >> > > Loren
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: ralph meyermann
> >> > > To: Bryan Belman
> >> > > Cc: vwdiesel
> >> > > Sent: Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:31 pm
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Injection pump timing?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm using the injection pump that came with the AAZ. The water pump
> >> is
> >> > > ewish and of all metal construction, it was used in the 1.6 na with
> a
> >> > > ingle V belt conversion I purchased from Scott at turbo vans and not
> >> had
> >> > > ny issues on the 1.6? The oil cooler hoses come out of the main
> >> coolant
> >> > > oses. I wonder if my timing is retarded thus adding more fuel/heat
> to
> >> > > chieve the power/speed desired? Planning on getting the dimensions
> of
> >> my
> >> > > adiator shroud to see if I can upgrade the cooling fans and a lower
> >> temp
> >> > > an switch.
> >> > >
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