[Vwdiesel] Injection pump timing?

Fri Jan 24 14:40:12 PST 2014

That pump is correct for AAZ Golf/Vento/Seat Cordoba 1.9TD. 
Timing setting is 0.9 or 0.8. The two values may be linked to single or dual spring options. Duel spring actually have lower break pressures..
Howeve, never confuse 'book timing' with 'tuning', and I suggest going in the middle @0.85 and tuning either side until engine's response best suits your driving style. 

Mark

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Message Received: Jan 24 2014, 07:28 PM
From: "ralph meyermann" 
To: lbaird119 at aol.com
Cc: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Injection pump timing?

The pump shows an R 433-2 then a BS-4022 ? Pretty sure, hard to read still
after wire brush and wd40.

Velma 82 1.9L AAZ td westy
On Jan 24, 2014 12:54 PM, "ralph meyermann" 
wrote:

> Finally my timing tools showed up, they mailed to my po box , the package
> was too big and they close before I get off work, daughter was home sick
> today and I picked it up. Now about 30 degrees out to try and read the
> numbers on my pump, lots of oxidation and has been too cold to fiddle with
> it. The large numbers right??
>
> Velma 82 1.9L AAZ td westy
> On Dec 30, 2013 11:39 PM,  wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, that's pretty much what I was thinking but temps (coolant, intake
>> and fuel) all seem to be reasonably close. I was expecting to see one way
>> off but I didn't find any that were. Not sure how to log on. I have a
>> "smart cable" thanks to a list member, and it just connects. I was having
>> a "data has been altered" error and it wouldn't let me clear errors even.
>> Put the factory chips back in, presuming a glitch on the performance
>> chips, from the previous ECU frying. I can clear codes but still can't get
>> into the adaptation. Not sure if I'm doing something wrong or there's just
>> a problem.
>> It runs like it should when the "correction" gets disabled. I struck
>> me that I never changed anything when I put this ECU in, so it's probably
>> timed for the engine it came off of. Mine happened to time darn close to
>> perfect when I put the new belt on.
>> Loren
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tad 
>> To: LBaird119 at aol.com 
>> Cc: mailing list 
>> Sent: Mon, Dec 30, 2013 1:58 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Injection pump timing?
>>
>>
>> Loren, sounds to me like the Passat has an issue with one of its temp
>> sensors.
>>
>>
>> When you go into Basic Settings, it disables the dynamic timing
>> adjustment and you're running the "mechanical" timing, i.e. it's injecting
>> according to how it's physically timed by the setting of the pulley/belt.
>>
>>
>> If it's running better *without* the ECU "fixing" the timing, the ECU
>> must think it's much warmer than it really is (either fuel, coolant or
>> intake air temp).
>>
>>
>> It's been a while since I used my VagCom but IIRC the adaptation problem
>> means you're not logged in to the ECU correctly?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:19 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Heh! I have several smoking-when-cold diesels and I figure the problem
>> is retarded timing. Dad said one day, he didn't know which smoked worse;
>> the stove (starting up) or the Tractor!! (a SAME, pronounced sah-may)
>> The passat is really bad but clears up when it warms up. Temp sensors
>> all show relatively correct (didn't check if EXACT). If I go to "basic
>> settings" when I get to 004, the idle smooths out, speeds up, sounds much
>> better and the timing goes from barely BTDC to about 8 degrees BTDC. If I
>> go to adaptation, all chanels come up as not available! Ugh. Beginning to
>> hate the electronic part of the TDI.
>>
>> Replaced the top rad hose-to-head, flange yesterday. No cracks but
>> it'd been leaking. Appeared to just be the o-ring but replaced the whole
>> thing BEFORE it cracked.
>> Loren
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jason 
>> To: ralph meyermann 
>> Cc: vw fans 
>> Sent: Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:39 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Injection pump timing?
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is a modification I recommend for the AAZ pump. There is a timing
>>
>> etard solenoid on the front of the pump. Wire it to be powered full time
>>
>> ith the fuel shut off switch. Then re-time it as you would a 1.6TD. I
>>
>> eem to recall .95 working well. That solenoid retards fuel timing below
>>
>>
>> 000 rpm for emissions. It also reduces performance.
>> Jason
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 7:54 PM, ralph meyermann
>> ralphmeyermann at gmail.com>wrote:
>> > I'll, get the part number off the pump to make sure. That'll probably
>> be on
>> Sunday.
>>
>> Velma 82 1.9L AAZ td westy
>> On Dec 27, 2013 12:40 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> > Unfortunately there are two different specs for AAZ timing. On pump is
>> > timed like all the previous 1.6’s the other is not.. I have the
>> > instructions somewhere for the one that is not, I believe. Haydeh
>> >
>> > On Dec 27, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Bryan Belman 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Loren, he is using the 1.9TD pump from an AAZ. I have one in the
>> > garage, I will get the part number.
>> > > I need the timing spec as well for another day when I get the pump on
>> > the block.
>> > > I just googled and found this for 1.9TD AAZ pump.
>> > > MK3 / A3 chassis (1993-1997):
>> > > Engine AAZ (1.9l turbo) 0.80
>> > > +/- 0.02 mm
>> > >
>> > > Wow, check this guys directions out on how to do the pump timing.
>> > > Incredible, thank you so much for creating this.
>> > > I wish I had found this 15 years ago.
>> > > I do it so little that I always need to reference my notes when
>> setting
>> > pump timing.
>> > >
>> >
>>
>> http://vincewaldon.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=26
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > My 1.9NA pump is .090mm +/- a bit.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Bryan Belman, Pt. Pleasant, NJ
>> > > 04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD BEW, 100hp, 5sp -- running :<)
>> > > 04 Golf TDI PD BEW, 100hp, 5sp Tiptronic Auto -- running :<)
>> > > 82 Diesel Westy 1.9NA 1Y -- running :<)
>> > > 70 Type 1 Beetle -- Under Restoration forever:-)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Friday, December 27, 2013 6:02 AM, "lbaird119 at aol.com" <
>> > lbaird119 at aol.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I'm not a big fan of just putting in a lower temp thermoswitch.
>> > They're designed to go with the thermostat. Change stat temp, change
>> the
>> > thermoswitch. Just change one and not use the correct one of the other
>> and
>> > the fan will either run way too much or not enough.
>> > > Make sure you're actually running hot, with a thermometer (IR or
>> what
>> > have you) rather than just using the gauge. They vary. Only in a
>> Vanagon
>> > would I suspect the timing could be off enough to overheat but power
>> should
>> > be equally low. What the pump number in case someone has the specs?
>> > Should be 068...
>> > > Loren
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: ralph meyermann 
>> > > To: Bryan Belman 
>> > > Cc: vwdiesel 
>> > > Sent: Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:31 pm
>> > > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Injection pump timing?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I'm using the injection pump that came with the AAZ. The water pump
>> is
>> > > ewish and of all metal construction, it was used in the 1.6 na with a
>> > > ingle V belt conversion I purchased from Scott at turbo vans and not
>> had
>> > > ny issues on the 1.6? The oil cooler hoses come out of the main
>> coolant
>> > > oses. I wonder if my timing is retarded thus adding more fuel/heat to
>> > > chieve the power/speed desired? Planning on getting the dimensions of
>> my
>> > > adiator shroud to see if I can upgrade the cooling fans and a lower
>> temp
>> > > an switch.
>> > >
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