Nick, I've been trying to buy the VR4's too (based on strong recommendations from the list). I'm looking for a 195/60 14" (4000Q). Apparently that's the smallest size for the VR4. I've gotten lots of mumbo gumbo from various tire places, including that the VR4's have been discontinued. The upshot is that I can't seem to find them anywhere. What region do you live in? -- Lynn Smith lsmith@dvcorp.com