The 2nd best way I've found to put them off is to let them know that I know exactly what I'm looking at, how much its worth and what the features are. The 3rd best is to let a broker handle it. The best way is to not deal with them at all and buy used. I would have a hard time justifying a new car purchase to myself even if I won the lotto. Dave Head 87 5KCSTQ (my new car...)