> lowly audis..... The A4 with a 5spd is certainly right at the 7.0 mark, I've ??????? Audi claims 7.8 for the A4 5speed, where did you see/experience 7.0 ? -- Chris Palmer "Ashes to ashes, Data General Corporation dust to dust, Enterprise Solutions Engineering Division If Lillee don't get you, chris_palmer@dg.com Thommo must!"