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quattro-digest Tuesday, 18 June 1996 Volume 03 : Number 613
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* Welcome to the digest version of the quattro list.
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* In this issue:
more about msg problems
message problems
Re: V8 Recall....
Cost of Perfection
Re: Axel Shaft Pulling Exercises...
Re: Mt Washington Hillclimb....where to meet??
Valve guides
Schrick for TQC wanted (still)
IBIS results sent to COIMBRA????
Re: Mt Washington Hillclimb....where to meet??
Re: Axel Shaft Pulling Exercises...
Re: shrouded in air
Re: Axel Shaft Pulling Exercises...
Stalling
Re: V6 reliability???
soldered chip
Re: Bearing prices
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From: "Peter Grul" <pgrul.warm@Veda.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 96 15:16:06 EDT
Subject: more about msg problems
Sorry for the bandwidth, but I want to make sure that everyone on the list
who got those screwy msgs from my company's server gets this. I just talked
to our local NA. Basically, the new network software we just upgraded to is
more of a RAM hog than the old version, and on very rare (so I'm told)
occasions it will hiccup when trying to decompress a large file (such as a q-
list digest). A soon-to-happen RAM upgrade to our local server should fix the
problem. BUT, until then, if anyone gets a similar msg from any server with
"veda" in its name, let me know personally, and I will unsub****** from the
list.
Again, a thousand sincere apologies for the PITA.
Peter
'93 90csq
North Wales, PA
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From: "Peter Grul" <pgrul.warm@Veda.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 96 16:22:30 EDT
Subject: message problems
oops, forgot about the unsub****** filter...
hi Nick van Houte and q-list,
I'm sorry I was not able to respond to you earlier, I just got back in to
work today after a 5-day weekend, and am just now catching up with the q-
digests. I offer profound apologies for all the trouble that the message from
my company's server caused you. FWIW, I will show it to our local network
administrator (NA) today, who might then contact our corporate NA. Although
it sounds like you have fixed the problem on your own, I will relay any info
I get to the list, as it seems that you were not the only one affected.
Please forgive me if I sound defensive, but I want you to know that the
problem was definitely not my neglect of my mailbox. Our network, although
past the infancy stage, is not much past the "terrible twos". Please let me
know personally if you have any more trouble, and I will unsub****** from the
list until the problem is definitely fixed.
Thanks for your patience,
Peter
'93 90csq
North Wales, PA
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From: mark.hogan@triteal.com (Mark Hogan)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:33:30 -0500
Subject: Re: V8 Recall....
Mine came yesterday as well....
Mark Hogan
>How many other people got a recall notice for a Cruise Control
>Bushing on your 90/91 V8 ? Mine came in yesterday....
>
>If you haven't got it you may want to check with your local
>AUDI dealer :-)
>
>Regards,
>
>Mike L.
>89 100 Avant
>90 V8
>
>==================================================
>Mike LaRosa INCASES Engineering N.A.
>Manager, 20 Trafalgar Square
>EDA Technical Support Suite 403
>603-881-5392 Nashua, NH
>603-881-5467 Fax 03063
>E-Mail: 76761.1444@compuserve.com
>==================================================
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From: Dave Head <dhead@sundial.sundial.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:43:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Cost of Perfection
1. Got my speedo back yesterday. The local authorized VDO repair facility
could not repair electronic speedos, and had to send it to VDO for repair.
All it needed was a small plastic gear to fix odometer - cost: $230.05. CAN
YOU SAY PRICE GOUGING? It also had oil finger prints all over the face, no
documentation as to whether there was a warrenty, testing, etc. I am
severely P$#%^ssed off. If anyone has any phone number to VDO, I would
appreciate it. As I have been inside that speedo 5 times, I know what was
done to it. I may not be able to get much attention from a multinational
corporation - but I will ensure they know that I am not happy, and several
car magazines and whomever else I can yell at will know it too.
2. Still having a minor leakage in my AC (10P17C Nippondenso) compressor -
at the manifold which bolts to the compressor itself (where the hoses
connect). It appears that this manifold has a gasket that a) Audi doesn't
make, and b) no one else does either. The only option is to buy the entire
manifold. Shokan price: $185.00 brand new. Spoke to several AC rebuilders -
this part is like gold to find, and they hardly ever get them, as they are
reused. So for those of you with this compressor (86 up) - keep an eye out
for oil leakage at the bottom of the manifold. If you buy a rebuilt or new
compressor, you won't get the manifold with it.
3. ILOVEMYAUDIILOVEMYAUDIILOVEMYAUDIILOVEMYAUDI (mantra, with feeling!)
********************************AUDI FAN******************************
EMCM(SW) Dave Head (nuclear grade electrician)
87 5KCSTQ 170K miles and now counting (after $230.00 to repair...)
1.9 bar boost (charlie spring, no shim) - @ 1.3 the shuttle launches!
Maitland FL
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From: Mark Eissler <tequila@interlog.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 96 17:10:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Axel Shaft Pulling Exercises...
>Michael Spiers, mikes@specnet.com wrote:
>
>Whelp, this weekend is bringing about the event of the reconstruction of the
>front end of the TQ. Now I need to figure out how to get everything apart.
> Mr. Bentley says you need to use a "VW Tool xxxx" to get the axel shaft
out.
> Well, I don't own "VW Tool xxxx" nor do I have any intention of buying
>it, so
>how do I get the axel shaft out? There's gotta be a shortcut, anyone know
>it?
> I've got a harmonic balancer puller for a Chebby V8, any way of mutating
>that
Sorry, to have to break it to you, but... You will need a couple of
"special" tools to do this. First, you'll probably need an 8mm Tri-Square
socket in order to remove the inner CV from the gearbox drive flange
where it's connected with 6 or 8 12-point bolts. These are not TORX and
they are not HEX. I paid $16 CDN for this socket at NAPA but you might be
able to find it at a well-stocked tool store (Home Depot does not carry
these sockets, at least not in Canada).
The other tool you will most likely need is a 17mm allen key in order to
drain the gearbox and refill it when you're done. Again, I got mine at
NAPA for about $10 CDN. Apparently, Sears (in the U.S.) carries this as
well.
Of course, if you're not pulling the driveshaft out at the gearbox end,
then you won't need either of the above tools.
You will, however, need a suitable tool (a 1/2" ratchet with a lifetime
warranty ;-} and a breaker bar) to remove the axle nut which is tightened
to 170ft/lb and coated with thread locker. Actually popping the splined
end of the axle shaft from the hub can probably be accomplished with a
harmonic puller if a gear/bearing puller is not available, but a lot of
the time you can just pull them out (on other cars, that is).
Mark Eissler | Still working on
tequila@interlog.com | a better sig.
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From: Dan Simoes <dans@ans.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:16:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Mt Washington Hillclimb....where to meet??
> I plan to leave early Saturday for Mt. Washington. I know that Bob
> D'Amato is staying in some bargain hotel near the road.
If the weather is good, I can ride up, probably on Fri eve maybe,
and stay over until Saturday. Is that a good day to go?
I've been so busy I really haven't been following all this...
The engine is still at my house so the 4000sq will have to wait for
its unveiling...
| Dan |
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From: Sam Massey <samm@asa.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 96 14:13:16 +0100
Subject: Valve guides
Paul,
In a recent mail to your list, you mentioned that the valve guides =
wear are part and parcel of owning an Audi, is this because you =
have had a recent experience with this part of the car? The reason =
I am asking is because (whilst I hadn't noticed) someone following =
my car informed me that it was smoking a bit on pulling away, =
accelerating hard etc.. The car 85 80 4cylinder, has done 80,000 =
miles..and I was wondering if there were any other symptons to =
check for...and what is the damage $$ in replacing the guides.
Cheers=20
Sam=
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From: "Bob D'Amato" <mx@mamie.snet.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:17:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Schrick for TQC wanted (still)
I was corresponding with someone on the list for a schrick cam (with
solid lifters)..but when it came time to do the deal, they disappeared
off the face of the planet! Anyway, i still need one if possible, new or
used is fine. Thanks!
Bob
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The Southern New England Telephone Co. |Phone: 203-771-7081
Information and Technology Center |Fax: 203-773-3398
300 George St. New Haven CT 06510 |Pager: Dont count on it
Drive Safe, Drive Fast, Drive a Quattro
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From: Alex Kowalski <akowalsk@shrike.depaul.edu>
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 17:20:25 -0700
Subject: IBIS results sent to COIMBRA????
I apologize to any and all who are confused about the messages that
were sent from my school's server regarding an IBIS search about the
prescription drug Xanax. I was doing the search as part of a research
project, from another computer than my own. Using my Email
address, I tried to send the search results from IBIS (Illinois
Bibliographic Information Service) back to my Email account at DePaul so
that I could peruse them at my leisure.
I CANNOT understand HOW they wound up here. However, my Email account
has been behaving somewhat strangely since I subscribed to the Quattro
list; recently I accrued 400 Email messages because I could not read them
from Netscape Mail as a result of an error in a message sent by
MAILER-DAEMON (somewhere). I neither specified this URL as my
destination, nor did the computer I sent the command from in order to
save the messages to my account at AKOWALSK@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU know the
email address of the Quattro list.
Please delete these messages from the list. On the other hand, if any of
you would like to know about anxiolytic drugs while you are working on
your pride and joy, feel free to partake.
Many apologies,
Alex Kowalski
'84 4KQ
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From: "Bob D'Amato" <mx@mamie.snet.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:32:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Mt Washington Hillclimb....where to meet??
On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Peter Schulz wrote:
>
> I'm staying with my girlfriend's parent's in Concord, NH, Friday Night.
> I plan to leave early Saturday for Mt. Washington. I know that Bob
> D'Amato is staying in some bargain hotel near the road.
>
> My recommendation? Anybody want to pick a spot to meet for breakfast?
>
Sounds like a plan.. but unfortunately I dont know anything around there,
except the place across the street from the auto road!! So whatever you
decide, clue me in, Ill be there. Im leaving friday night after work,
plan on being at my fleabag by 10.
Bob
_____________________________________________________________________
bob.damato@snet.com http://204.60.3.2./audi/audi.html (Temporarily Down!!!)
The Southern New England Telephone Co. |Phone: 203-771-7081
Information and Technology Center |Fax: 203-773-3398
300 George St. New Haven CT 06510 |Pager: Dont count on it
Drive Safe, Drive Fast, Drive a Quattro
------------------------------
From: PDQSHIP@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:37:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Axel Shaft Pulling Exercises...
In a message dated 96-06-18 11:30:57 EDT, you write:
<< Whelp, this weekend is bringing about the event of the reconstruction of
the
front end of the TQ. Now I need to figure out how to get everything apart.
Mr. Bentley says you need to use a "VW Tool xxxx" to get the axel shaft
out.
Well, I don't own "VW Tool xxxx" nor do I have any intention of buying it,
so
how do I get the axel shaft out? There's gotta be a shortcut, anyone know
it?
I've got a harmonic balancer puller for a Chebby V8, any way of mutating
that
tool into something that will push the axel shaft out (or am I asking for
trouble there?) Any & all tips anyone can provide for this lovely exercise
will be _greatly_ appreciated! Hopefully when I'm done the car will
actually
steer in the direction I tell it to...
>>
Unless you are doing something I'm not aware of, the axle will come out
without using the 10MM triple square on the trans end (tho available pretty
easily, I saw the "Help!" part kit 6,8,10MM for 5.00 at JC whinny)....
Loosen axle nut on ground, pull all the ancillary stuff off (ball joint
swaybar/control arm, tie rod) and the strut will pull away from the car
enough to pull the axle out.... You can drop the whole strut assbly as a
unit with the outer 3 nuts at the strut tower, without even affecting your
camber..... Remember to pull the abs sensors (and get the plastic aligning
tips)
HTH
Scott
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From: PDQSHIP@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:46:23 -0400
Subject: Re: shrouded in air
In a message dated 96-06-18 13:01:37 EDT, you write:
<< I haven't yet found the air inlet which supplies air to the shroud region.
The brass(?) injector mount fixtures in the 89 head appear to be identicle
to the ones in the 83 head. Maybe I am missing something. And when I
had the intake manifold off there was nothing obvious around the inlet
port. Probst shows air supplied by the inlet manifold in his example, but
there is no such beast on the Audi manifold. I agree that by using the 83
injectors, air could be flowing freely around the injector tips which could
result in a non-optimum air flow pattern. But at this point I am getting
ansy
to hear this thing run. It will be a close call which will breath air first,
the
franken-q or the new child which is due in <2 weeks.
>>
.... Man you 'd better hurry up.... The air shroud supply is located midway
back on the intake manifold and is a 4-6in hose that goes from intake to
center of head (where the injector ports are...) You can easily disconnect
and plug both ports to run the "old" style injectors, but the air shrouded
are the preferred for that atomization thing (better hot running)....
HTH
Scott
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From: PDQSHIP@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:52:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Axel Shaft Pulling Exercises...
In a message dated 96-06-18 13:11:47 EDT, you write:
<< Another fellow member also used a 6 inch puller with success, this is good
to
know! Now, I heard a na$ty rumour that the wheel bearings may need
replacing
if one pulls the driveshaft out of it. Will I need to do this? The wheel
bearings are only a year old, and at a hundred bucks a shot--
Thanks Dave!
>>
No not true, not unless you lower the car to the ground with the axles out of
it and try rolling said vehicle, but that would be pretty duouuuuugh, and
would require a fellow lister to come whack you with the q-list whiffle
bat..... I have done numerous axle shafts Michael, and not one required
puller assist, and doubt you'll need to if you just did the WB's... You can
do this, don't let Mr. Bentley intimidate you....
Scott
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From: "Al Powell" <APOWELL@agcom.tamu.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:06:39 CDT
Subject: Stalling
My wife's 1990 200 is having a bad problem with stalling when it's
started hot. I just set the idle up to 750, but that's not helping.
When cold, the idle does not drop - and after it has been driven a
minute or two, it doesn't drop - but start it, back up, and PFFFT.
Does this sound like the dread **Idle stabilizer valve** to the
collective list-wisdom????
I await the (possibly creative) replies....
Al Powell Voice: 409/845-2807
107 Reed McDonald Bldg. Fax: 409/862-1202
College Station, TX 77843 Email: a-powell1@tamu.edu
W3 page - http://agcomwww.tamu.edu/agcom/satellit/rpe/alpage.htm
"Baseball is 90 percent mental. The other half is physical"...
...Yogi Berra.
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From: Eliot Lim <eliot@u.washington.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:32:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: V6 reliability???
i was somewhat reluctant to post that piece of info that i got from
speaking separately to various mechanics at the dealership here. there
are individuals here who would flame (or harass thru email) if i cannot
provide absolute irrefutable proof. anyway, take this information for what
it's worth. if it doesn't sound believable, don't believe it.
i was told by several mechanics that the v6 has a bad oil seal problem.
nothing serious, just that "those things leak oil".
i have personally seen a 90Q V6 and a A4 with just 4000 miles in the shop
with bent valves because the timing belt snapped. in the case of the 90Q
it was due to one of the belt driven components (oil pump if i recall)
siezing while the A4 had an idler pulley sieze. in both cases, the
snapped timing belt led to pretty extensive valve damage.
the guy who was working on the A4 says that he's seen 10 V6s snap their
timing belts through various causes.
and the oil leaks seem to plague a large proportion of them.
i also got word from a european audi dealer that the 30V engine had
problems that led to a temporary production halt thus affecting delivery
of 30V cars that are currently being sold in europe.
i'm sure that audi will eventually lick these problems, but i'm not
terribly encouraged by this news since the v6 has been around for 4 years
now. it has certainly made me reconsider my timing towards purchasing a
30V a4.
both the 5 banger (in all power configurations), the VR6 and the V8
engines have been given hearty thumbs up from the same people as being
bulletproof engines.
eliot
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From: Robin Gates <72355.650@CompuServe.COM>
Date: 18 Jun 96 19:29:36 EDT
Subject: soldered chip
I recently purchased an S4 and found it had a TAP chip in it. Based on the
generally negative comments from several people on this list, I decided to
remove the chip and put the factory chip back in. I took it to the local
Audi
dealer and they said the chip was soldered in and and they didn't have the
equipment or knowledge to switch chips. Is this chip normally soldered in?
Is
my only option to send the entire board back to TAP to get the factory chip
replaced?
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From: "Sheffield Corey" <SHEF@omdc.gso.uri.edu>
Date: 18 Jun 96 18:11:00 EST
Subject: Re: Bearing prices
Last week Orin wrote:
>It just so happens that I have a brand new bearing kit here, 86.5 5k onward,
>82mm OD. Bearing is FAG, number is 565636.
>
>You really need the axle nut, circlip and ball joint bolt as well as the
>bearing. The old bolt will be unusable. The new one is M10.9x45mm, only
>last 25mm is threaded.
>
>Orin.
Hi Gang,
Does anyone know if this is also the correct number for my '87 5kCSQ? I
have been told that the Quattro uses the same wheel bearings front and rear,
but is it the same bearing the the standard 5k uses? I plan on replacing the
bearings in all 4 corners in the next couple of weeks as at 115K the left
front
has started making a slight(so far) noise; the others can't be far behind. If
Orin's number is correct I'll call the place in CT. that Bob D. recommended
and
order from them. I've so far gotten quotes from $48-$83/bearing; $12 sounds
much more reasonable!! Do I need to go through Audi to get the axle nut,
circlip, and balljoint bolt or are these readily available elsewhere?
TIA,
Shef
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