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Re: Available Audis in Minnesota
Another good quote]
90Q Question.
'91 20V TQW update
Re: painting ur-q rear spoiler?
Re: Play in differential ?
RE: Tires for the next SNOW??
Re: Plethora of questions about a 1989 200 Turbo Quattro
on top of old smokey.......
Re: Tires
RE: Plethora of questions about a 1989 200 Turbo Quattro
Track driving with an automatic
Hydraulic Pump Seals
Re: Any PNW quattro goings on around 20 July?
'97 A4
Re: AC HP/LP ??
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From: broberg@cpg.mcw.edu
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:54:10 -0600
Subject: Re: Available Audis in Minnesota
I am told by Rochester residents that Park Place is ownden by same guy that
owns 2 Mpls
dealers-preumably Carosel and Maplewood.
Roland
On Tue, 09 Jul 1996, savidesn@audvid.win.net (Darin Nederhoff) wrote:
>
>>Just talked with friend in Rochester Minn. Park Place, former Rochester
Motors is
>>advertising following Audis:
>>
>>91 200 TQ wagon, 5sp Pearl/black lth 51k mi w/warranty. Fresh trade, looks
great!
21,900
>>93 100 Black/Black 49kmi $24900
>>95 A6 wagon $33900
>>91 200T Pearl 42 kmi $15900
>>
>>Contact is Elgin Perkins, 507-282-9468
>>Park Place is owned by Mpls dealer so some cars may not be on site. 200TQ
wagon is.
>>Roland
>
>Hmmm... must have gotten a few new ones since I was there last. I
>know the A6 wagon (Quattro) is Emerald green metallic.
>
>FWIW, our 87 4kCSQ came from Rochester (it was called Rochester
>Motor Cars at the time). Now it is Denny Hecker's Park Place.
>
>Any idea which dealer owns it (what do they sell in MPLS)? I know
>that the two Audi dealers in MPLS are owned by the same person.
>
>Anyway, I might swing up to Rochester to see what is new. ;)
>
>
>Later,
>
>Darin
>
>(N Central Iowa)
>
>
>
>---
>****************************************************************
>** Darin Nederhoff email: savidesn@audvid.win.net **
>** "Audi Quattro Enthusiast" **
>** Teflon makes things slick, Quattro makes 'em STICK! ;) **
>** '93 S4 (pearl / Ecru) -in the family **
>** '87 4kCSQ (sapphire blue / gray)-my daily driver **
>** '86 XR4ti (white / gray) -my summer cruiser ;) **
>** AUTOBAHNIA USA Homepage... http://www.win.net/~audvid **
>** A site for Audi Quattro and Merkur XR4ti enthusiasts! **
>****************************************************************
>
>
>
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| Roland Broberg, PE | e/mail:
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| Medical College of Wisconsin | fax: 414-257-6103
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| Division of Cardiovascular Medicine | Voice: 414-257-5090
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| 9200 West Wisconsin Avenue |
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From: Robert Houk - SMCC Bos Desktop Hardware <rdh@UrQ.East.Sun.COM>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:14:59 -0400
Subject: Another good quote]
- ------- Start of forwarded message -------
>From the airline industry, and also applicable to our driving and love
of cars:
"A superior pilot is one who uses his superior judgement to avoid having
to use his superior skill."
- ------- End of forwarded message -------
Hmmm . . .
-RDH
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From: "Bob D'Amato" <mx@mamie.snet.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:21:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 90Q Question.
Something really strange is happening to my sisters 89 90Q. There is a
really loud 'chirp' coming from the front of the engine.....that we cant
seem to isolate.
I removed the accessory belts, and it is still there, so that rules out
PS/alternator/AC. We replaced the timing belt, water pump and idler
bearing. STill there. I did notice however that timing belt tension
affects the sound. Does this sound familiar to anyone? What else can it
be? Oil pump?? (That CANT be easy to replace...is it??) Main bearing??!?!
It sounds like its from the front center...not like the cam or anything.
Other than that, the car runs flawlessly.
Any input appreciated...
Bob
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Drive Safe, Drive Fast, Drive a Quattro
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From: sjagernauth@attmail.com (Stephen I Jagernauth)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:42:08 -0500
Subject: '91 20V TQW update
Thanks to everyone who responded. I called and the car just turned 100k,
that's why they're selling. New timing belt, tires, seems well-maintained.
Guy bought it from his company, was company car so may have been abused but
was dealer-maintained. Only negative so far is color: fire-engine red on
black leather, just about my last color choice for stealthy cruising. Will
test-drive on Fri and report back in case I pass and anyone else is
interested. Is it just me or do the later 100/A6 wagons seem smaller than
the
5k/200 TQW?
Regards,
Steve Jagernauth
'74 911/3.0, '87 944T: 4dtrack
'87 5kcst, '88 5ks: 4d street
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From: Alex Kowalski <akowalsk@shrike.depaul.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:46:49 -0700
Subject: Re: painting ur-q rear spoiler?
Glen Powell wrote:
>
> Richard Funnell writes:
> > I wonder about its condition, however, if people can create cracks by
> > pushing with their fingers. Also, the surface of mine doesn't look much
> > like paint. It seems to be a flat, unpainted black (in its younger days)
> > plastic. It sounds as if someone has already painted yours. Is it not
> > rigid enough to lightly sand it by hand?
>
> Earlier TQCs and coupe GTs have black (unpainted) rear spoilers.
> Later cars come from the factory with body-color painted ones.
> Glen's TQC is an '85, so he probably has one of the later styles.
>
> Yessir, mine is body-color. (Graphite Black Metallic) The shop that just
painted the front bumper cover and valence (airdam) and did a GREAT
job actually refus
>
> -glen
The spoiler on my silver '84 4KQ is painted black. It is also
fissured and cracked and generally looks terrible close up. The paint
seems to be some kind of rubberized product, but so far I haven't
undertaken to paint it. I'm afraid that using any kind of chemical to
strip the paint might damage the rubber as well. I've unfortunately lost
touch with my friend who was a body man in NJ, so I'm in the dark too.
Why did Audi paint it? I have seen later Coupe GTs with the unpainted,
hard-foam rubber spoilers that resemble anti-skid floor-mat material,
and look great after many years of service.
Alex
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From: tnas@dtpdirect.nl (Tom Nas, DTP Direct bv)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:58:35 +0200
Subject: Re: Play in differential ?
Hi Vikram,
My 1988 80 (116 K miles) 5sp/man. has the same problem, to a lesser degree.
I suspect the engine mounts, as the play can be felt -and seen- in the gear
lever, the whole lever moving forward whenever the clutch comes in. I also
notice this when I release the accelerator in fourth or fifth gear. The
engine mounts are known to be a weak point, as they're soft to start with.
The whole thing doesn't feel like transmission play to me. The trans makes
no noise whatsoever, shifting smoothly and crisply. The only sign of wear
so far is a very slight noise when upshifting from 2nd to 3rd with a cold
'box. Still the best 5-speed manual 'box in any car I've driven, EVER.
regards, Tom
1988 80 1.8S FWD
- ------------------------------------------
I had posted a message some time ago regarding some kind of play or
looseness in the manual tranny of my 1988 Audi 80. Whenever I shift
gears and release the clutch there is some play and then the tranny
engages with a jerk and thunk. Possible maladies suggested were:
1. Worn tranny bushing (old one checked out as ok, replaced
nevertheless)
2. Worn engine mounts (checked out ok, replaced anyway)
3. Worn bushings (seem to look ok)
Yesterday, I jacked up the car and with it in 1st gear, tried to
rotate each wheel. Both wheels rotate about 15 degrees and I can
a springy noise. They do not rotate at the inner or outer CV's
but in the tranny - however I thought this was normal, not sure
though.
Ideas/suggestions ????
Best Regards,
Vikram.
_______________________________________________________________________
Tom W. Nas, graphic design tnas@dtpdirect.nl
DTP Direct bv Voice +31 (55) 5 790 799
Apeldoorn, the Netherlands Fax +31 (55) 5 790 125
"I wish for once we'd encounter an alien menace that isn't immune to bullets"
--Doctor Who
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From: Peter Henriksen <peterhe@microsoft.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:01:30 -0700
Subject: RE: Tires for the next SNOW??
Michelin Alpins have worked extremely well for our (FWD, of course)
Legend, so I'm planning to check into those for the 200. I don't know
about the sizes they come in though, so YMMV.
- - peter henriksen, peterhe@microsoft.com, issaquah, wa
91 200qw
94 acura legend gs
80 mazda 626
>----------
>From: John W. Seitz[SMTP:jwseitz@compsol.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 1996 6:11 PM
>To: Quattro Help
>Subject: Tires for the next SNOW??
>
>I know its mid-july, but I'm saving for the perfect snow tire/wheel combo
for
>this next snowy season here in
>CT. Last winter was my first Q winter and it was scary but FUN. I bought
>the car with 95% used Dunlops
>D60-A2s and didn't know much of them?? So I bought a set of Perelli
P-600m/s
>(195/60-14s) which work GREAT in
>rain and dry roads, ok in the deep stuff. It seemed that when takeing off
or
>going thru turns at times the Q
>felt more RWD then AWD (Still e'm confused about that switch in the center 1
>or 2 or off??)??
>
>So this winter I thought of buying some steel wheels and going with a little
>skiny tire with more tread in it
>for the snow, while keeping the drivable in the non-snow days? Or em I being
>too worried or is this not normal
>for a Q, As in past post I've only driven FWD VW's with 185-60-13's which
>seems to be great in the snow!!
>
>So what are others doing for snow season with thier Q's? Any
>brands,sizes,where to buy!!??
>
>Thanks As Always
>John
>
>86-4000cs quattro (147,850)
>
>BTW - Thanks to all for help on that air filter a reel pita, but there was
>bunch of oil resadue in the air
>dist output boot cleaned and running better!!!
>
>Thanks for all the once again
>
>jwseitz@compsol.net
>
>
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From: Alex Kowalski <akowalsk@shrike.depaul.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:03:33 -0700
Subject: Re: Plethora of questions about a 1989 200 Turbo Quattro
William_SWails@mail.amsinc.com wrote:
>
> I bought a 1989 Audi 200 Turbo Quattro a couple of months ago, and I
> 4) Above 30 mph I hear wind noise around the bottom center of the
> windshield. I tried putting a bead of silicone rubber below the chrome
> strip, but it didn't help. It looks like the windshield was replaced
> recently. Any ideas how to locate the source of the wind noise and
> eliminate it?
>
> 7) Where can I get the magic spring to increase boost pressure? Are
> there any negative side effects to increasing the boost? I live at an
> elevation of 8,000 feet, and work at 5,500 feet, so almost all of my
> driving is at high elevations. My boost gauge reads .8 bar at 5,000
> feet, and only .7 bar at 8,000 feet and the most I have ever seen is
> 1.4 bar under heavy load. It seems like I could afford a substantial
> increase in boost since I'm running in "thin air" all the time. What's
> the maximum "safe" boost?
>
> Sorry for the lengthy questions, but if I can resolve these items, my
> 150,000 mile Quattro should be good as new!
>
> Thanks,
> -Bill-
Maybe to find the windshield leak you can close all the windows and crank
up the A/C to maximum, pressurizing the interior slightly (assuming
everything else seals well) and use some bubble-liquid around the
windshield edge to find the leak a-la the old fix-a-flat method. I don't
know if the blower fan can actually pressurize the interior to any
appreciable degree, but maybe it's worth a shot.
Also, on the subject of pressure, I'm no turbo expert, but I thought that
a turbo engine will always devlop the same amount of max boost regardless
of elevation (within reason, of course), it will just take longer for the
turbo to develop pressure because of the lower air density and that's why
small turbos work relatively better at high elevations?
Best wishes,
Alex
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From: "Glen Powell" <gpowell@acacianet.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:22:09 -0400
Subject: on top of old smokey.......
Got the new clutch linkage rod installed, (Thanks Steve B!) bled the =
clutch system and took the ol track car out for a shake-down beat-run. =
When I got down to the end of our looooong and steeeeep driveway and =
turned around I found that I'd layed down an *enourmous* smokescreen! =
Thought to myself 'oh no - sumptin's toasted mit der engine!' - but no. =
Got back up the 'mountain' and popped the hood. The alternator had =
seized on this lengthy 1/4 mile journey down the driveway, was hot as =
H_LL and smoked-up the alternator belt on the now-no-longer-spinning =
alternator pulley. Trekked back down on foot to find the MIA belt - of =
course it was all the way down at the veryveryvery bottom, 1/2 mile =
round trip little trek on foot.....
Jes another day in the life of an Audi owner/racer,
- -glen
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From: jackr@internet.kronos.com
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 11:20:55 EST
Subject: Re: Tires
Resonding to 3 different messages regarding tires:
>>9) Colorado list members-- what's the best tire choice for all
>>season mountain driving? Do I need snow tires for winter, or can I
>>get by with a good set of all season radials?
I only drive on New England snow, but I highly recommend snow tires.
Nothing works better in snow than snow tires. I think they might
actually be designed to work best in snow, and are called "snow tires"
because of that fact. :-). All-season tires are a compromise. The
times I've been skiing in Colorado, there were big signs in the
mountains saying chains were required, but was told that true snow
tires were also allowed. Unless you plan on using chains, use snow
tires. This will also allow you to have better summer tires than
all-seasons, which again are a compromise. The numerous [sorry. can't
think of a polite term for morons] who think you don't need snow tires
sure were hazards last winter every time it snowed, which it did more
or less continuously. Snow tires are *more* important than having
4-wheel drive. A quattro with snow tires is snow-driving heaven.
>>So this winter I thought of buying some steel wheels and going with
>>a little skiny tire with more tread in it
I recall that there was a "cold weather" package for my 84 4000Q that
included smaller all-season tires. However, the local tire dealer
recommended snow tires that were the same size as my summer tires
(195/60). I have never had a problem. The car goes so well in the
snow that the danger is over-driving your stopping ability. I use the
center differential lock when driving in snow, per the owner's manual
suggestion. The advantage is that you have your normal size tires
when the roads clear.
>>One question. Has anyone put new tires on yet? I am planning on
>>putting 225/50 R16 Dunlop D40M2's this week. They have the same
>>circumference as the 205/55's and supposedly enough clearance. Has
>>anyone heard differently?
My understanding of tires is that a 215/50 or 225/45 would have the
same circumference as a 205/55. I just put D40M2's on my V8 (bought
last March). They seem OK. (New shocks made a much bigger
difference!) They'll be at Watkins Glen with the Quattro club next
week (attached to my car with me driving). I'll have a much stronger
opinion after that. Every tire shop says they are just excellent
track tires.
Jack Rich
84 4000 Q - For sale, too many cars
90 V8 (Did I just buy an expensive car to repair???!!!??!!)
88 'Vette roadster
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From: Peter Henriksen <peterhe@microsoft.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:22:15 -0700
Subject: RE: Plethora of questions about a 1989 200 Turbo Quattro
>----------
>From: William_SWails@mail.amsinc.com[SMTP:William_SWails@mail.amsinc.com]
>[snip]
> 2) My right headlight is cracked. The best price I have found on this
> is US $185 for an aftermarket unit. Does anyone know of a better deal?
>
Not knowing whether or not the 89 has the same type of headlight I had
on my 91, I'd say $185 is a screaming deal if they are the same. Of
course, this could be your opportunity to get Euro lights... OK, so
they're $329/side + shipping and labour if you don't put them in
yourself, but...
> 3) Where can I get plastic covers to protect the headlights and how
> much do they cost?
You can get a clear (!) adhesive plastic-like cover from Stongard in
Bellevue, WA for about $32/side. Almost invisible to the eye and doesn't
degrade lighting performance.
>[snip]
>
> 6) When I put it in reverse, the digital readout on the climate
> control goes blank. Is this normal?
For an Audi, well, yes :-)
>[snip]
>
> 8) When I press the brake pedal quickly, the red brake warning light
> flashes briefly. Is this normal?
See my answer to 6.
- - peter henriksen, peterhe@microsoft.com, issaquah, wa
91 200qw
94 acura legend gs
80 mazda 626
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From: jackr@internet.kronos.com
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 11:27:04 EST
Subject: Track driving with an automatic
I'll be at Watkins Glen with the quattro club next week, and I'm
wondering if any of you have advice for me regarding what to do with
the automatic slushbox on my V8 while on the track. I've driven on a
track only twice before in my 4000Q, which has a manual. Somehow, an
automatic and a race track don't go together in my mind. The
automatic has an economy mode (useless on the track), a sport mode,
and a manual mode. Should I just leave it in sport mode and let it do
the shifting, or should I move the lever to force lower gears? Or
should I use the manual mode and do all the shifting? (It's a bit
slower to shift in manual mode than a real manual transmission.) It
seems to me the manual mode would only be useful to force a higher
gear, which I don't know if I'll ever need to do on the track. Any
experienced suggestions?
Jack Rich
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From: John Ball <jball@rme1.reissmedia.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 09:56:00 -0300
Subject: Hydraulic Pump Seals
Has anyone had any luck re-sealing the
pump at the big phillips screw? I have
seepage and the shop I use says there
has been little luck doing re-seals and
Audi is no longer selling seal kits.
The pump is quoted at over $800. Does
anyone know a source for these pumps
that is cheaper?
Thanks in advance for any help.
John ball
Evergreen, CO
90 Q Coupe
------------------------------
From: Dave Head <dhead@sundial.sundial.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:06:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Any PNW quattro goings on around 20 July?
At 02:19 PM 7/9/96 -0700, you wrote:
>It looks like I'll be up in Seattle/Olympia around July 18-23. The wife
>will be attending meetings and doing other work stuff, but I'll be able
>to roam around a bit. Anything going on that I should know about? Let
>me know ...
>
Other than the fact that it will rain?
********************************AUDI FAN******************************
EMCM(SW) Dave Head (nuclear grade electrician)
87 5KCSTQ 170K miles and now counting (after $230.00 to repair...)
1.9 bar boost (charlie spring, no shim) - @ 1.3 the shuttle launches!
Maitland FL
**********************************************************************
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From: jackr@internet.kronos.com
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 12:09:51 EST
Subject: '97 A4
>>So, any ideas what Audi is putting out for '97
I call my Audi salesman to find out these things. (Poor guy hasn't
sold me anything except in November of '83.)
He says the 30-valve V6 builds will start in October, so they will get
the first ones in January. This will have about 20 more hp than the
standard v6 (bringing it to about 195 hp). Drool.
The 150HP 20-valve turbo 4 cylinder will be available, though it will
only be available with an automatic initially!!!!! It will be about
$3000 less than the standard V6.
That call to the salesman could be expensive. I'm going to test drive
an A4 quattro later today!
Jack Rich
Compleat car history:
'71 100LS (totaled)
'74 Fox (totaled 9 months later)
'75 Fox (pre-dented and rusty: rusted away and sold)
'84 4000S Q (first-ever (and only) new car. sadly for sale)
'85 5000S Wagon (bought for wife: sold)
'88 'Vette roadster (my first-ever non-Audi)
'90 V8 Q
------------------------------
From: LEMONHEAD <br00206@binghamton.edu>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:26:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: AC HP/LP ??
Your system is undercharged, not overcharged; the shop you used did not
fully charge the system. This is why the compressor cycles whrn the
engine is reved.
Chris
1988 90
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