Thanks for all your help guys, I got both loose, but had to take them out and put them in a vise. My next problem is that the stupid wheel lock on the right front wheel is now frozen!! I can't get it off and broke two of the lock tools already. I'll start praying to the Audi Gods tonight. Thanks again.... Dariusz Leszko 1987 4000CS Quattro 1986 5000CS Turbo