>I haven't tried the 5k/XL combo in a wash. Why don't one of you? Hey "dirty" Neil, I have a set of 6' Pia round spot lights on my bumper and they are surviving the meanest, badest, car wash (I must add that they are mounted as a tri-pot set up). Avi Meron 86 5Kcstq with a very clean car and all auxiliary lights mounted solid.