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quattro-digest Friday, 17 January 1997 Volume 04 : Number 113
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Re: Demon Tweeks Catalog
More on tires for the A4q
Re: Hyd pressure accumulator???
RE: Audi Tuning and BMW 350ti
GTI,4000s transmissions
Bentley for '93
Re: Windshield stuff
Re: Ur-quattro question.
Making Audi A Player
Re: Audi recommendation wanted
Re: AWD performance
Re: Tire Wear (Now alignment)
Just like home [with a smile:)]
2nd try...??? 2.8 V6 Turbo????
Coupe GT/Corrado Foglight Compatibility
Re: 2nd try...??? 2.8 V6 Turbo????
1.8 20V Partsbin Improvement
4kq & tqc heater core procedure
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From: "Gary G. Erickson" <erickson@teleport.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:26:23 -0800
Subject: Re: Demon Tweeks Catalog
>
> Hmm, where did you find this wonderful package?
> Barnes&Noble or something similar?
> >
>
> I got it at my local news and smoke shop.
I did some calling around before I left work yesterday. It seems that
cigar shops are the most likley place to find it, or a large scale
bookstore like B&N. However, I would call first before just running
out.
I called two Barnes stores that are equidistant from me, one of them had
9 copies in stock and the other had never heard of the magazine.
Needless to say I have some weekend reading to do now.
What was the current exchange rate for British pounds? <grin>
Gary
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Gary G. Erickson Member #82 NW Audi Quattro Club
Business Solution Integrators, Inc.
503-702-5789 e-mail: erickson@teleport.com
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From: Ron Williams <golf@bway.net>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:33:56 +0000
Subject: More on tires for the A4q
Reading the thread on tires for the A4q over the last month or so I
began to smell a "bandwagon" labled Dunlop D60 A2. I wondered what was
wrong or not up to par with the stock Goodyear RSAs that everyone seemed
to want to change and so I paid attention to as many miles as my
concentration would allow. I now have over 500 on the car and I could
detect no short comings until my first drive through 25 - 35 mph
crosswinds. As a gust hit, the car would feel like it was riding on
Jello treads.
I haven't done anything about "other tires" yet but inadvertently I
carried the experiment over to my pick-up, a Chevy K1500 with one size
over tires on it. I noticed that the A4's tires rapped irritatingly on
the seams of concrete based road surfaces. My pick-up with over inflated
(55 lbs.) tires sent no such rapping back on the same exact roads.
Smooth as glass. (???) Well the p-u tires were over inflated because of
a period of hauling heavy loads and I was a little tired of their
harshness and so reduced the pressure to 44 lbs. Lo and behold, rap,...
rap,... rap, the softer tires sent back the road seam message and, in
the latest cross-winds, felt like (slightly firmer) Jello.
My next step is to add 3 or 4 lbs. of air to my A4's RSAs and see what
happens. I noticed that some of you running D60 A2s run them with more
air than normal. Has anyone tried more air in their RSAs? What's up?
Ron
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From: steveb@falcon.kla.com (Steven Buchholz)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:39:08 -0800
Subject: Re: Hyd pressure accumulator???
> I hope you get this info in time.
It probably does not really matter ...
>
> I bought mine from the BMW mail order place in Portsmouth NH for $69, plus
> shipping. It was a sale item at the time. It took 5 minutes to replace, using
> a strap wrench- just unscrew it from the valve assy.
>
> I have posted the details several times, but don't have it handy at the
> moment.
> I believe the accumulator is the same as for a BMW 7 or 8 ? series.
>
I believe that the original poster was talking about a newer car. I finally
located the "bomb" on the '88 5kCSQW and found that the accumulator is dif-
ferent than that on the urQ. On the urQ it is very simple to replace the
bomb by itself, but it is not clear to me that the accumulator can be easily
removed from the valve body on the 5k ...
Steve Buchholz
s_buchho@kla.com
San Jose, CA (USA)
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From: Peter Henriksen <peterhe@microsoft.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:46:32 -0800
Subject: RE: Audi Tuning and BMW 350ti
I don't think this falls into your category of a flame, but there are at
least 3 major Audi tuners that I know of:
- Intended Acceleration (Ned Ritchie) in Olympia, WA.
- Hoppen Motorsports (Joe Hoppen) in Florida somewhere (I think).
- TAP (Total Audi Performance), God knows where they are.
I'm not sure they do body mods (I know Ned doesn't), but they sure do
their own engine mods as well as carry some others (specifically
Hoppen).
- - peter, peterhe@microsoft.com
>-----Original Message-----
>From: George S Achorn III [SMTP:coolidge@nicom.com]
>Sent: Friday, January 17, 1997 11:01 AM
>To: Audi
>Subject: Audi Tuning and BMW 350ti
>
> I saw a British mag in the bookstore that featured a BMW 318ti sport
>compact with a 5.0 liter 12cyl shoehorned in it, built by Racing dynamics.
>Imagine a V8 A3. Wow. Don't correct me, I know it is impossible.
> Along this line though, I was wondering, are there any major tuners for
>Audis in the US. I know there is Neuspeed for VW. I know there is Abt and
>A!Avantgard, but they are both german. Even an all Audi tuning store
>somewhere. I have heard complaints that no one knows who sells Abt or
>Avantgard in the US.
> I bet that would be a growing concept. Audi Aftermarket Tuners. When
>Audi's sales are poor, it'd be hard to make a buck, but I would think that
>out of all the new sales, a major Audi tuner will soon arise. Please don't
>flame me and say, some little tuner here in _______ is around. I know this,
>but I look at Neuspeed importing European VW parts, and developing their
>own and I think to myself, it sure would be cool to have an American player
>in the Audi aftermarket.
>Later-G
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From: JOSEV@samson-transport.com (Jose Vicente)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:16:31 +0000
Subject: GTI,4000s transmissions
Does anyone know if 83-84 RABBIT GTI and older AUDI 4000S 4 cyl
transmissions are compatible with the later VW PASSAT/GTI 2.0L 16
VALVE MOTOR.
I'm building an 86 GTI for PRO RALLY, I will use the 2.0L 16valve
engine and I think the older transmissions with the short gear ratios
are ideal.
If they are compatible and anyone knows of any for sale please let me
know.
Thank you all.
*** Visit us on the web at http://www.intac.com/~samson
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From: "." <v431@v431.ultranet.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:48:38 -0500
Subject: Bentley for '93
I checked with Bentley publishers this week & I gather the manual(s) for =
the '93 & around that period will be available soon.
I presume your sitting down at your computer. The price will be around =
$250 USD. I politely told them that was too high . I mentioned that =
some people would not need every year & model etc. & would be willing to =
buy less at a lower price.
Of course if I bought two S4's, that would mean I would be saving myself =
about $165. If I had thought of this when speaking with them, I would =
have told them what a genuine savings they had thoughtfully engineered =
for me.
I hope the Alldata CD is pretty good & at least helpful.
Vince
v431@ultranet.com
'93 100CSQ stick
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From: Ron Williams <golf@bway.net>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:08:41 +0000
Subject: Re: Windshield stuff
I don't know why I'm getting into this, but it's obvious that Jeff,
among others who worry about value for product received aren't
particularly sharp on business and what it costs to sell spring water or
methanol. Here are a few of the items involved:
1 - Bottles
2 - Labels for the bottles
3 - Legal aspects of selling something that's ingestible or not.
a. lawyers
b. dealing with government agencies
c. insurance
4 - Shipping
a. trucks
b. drivers
c. unions
d. signs on the trucks
e. parking and maintaining the trucks (tires? fuel?)
f. truck etcetera
5 - Sales
a. advertising
b. sales staff
6 - And so on
Consider that if some liquid's base cost is one cent a gallon, how much
of it has to be sold to make any profit at all.
Need I say more?
I just had my washer fluid renewed with the Prestone de-icing stuff at
$5.45 a gallon and then, driving 100 miles through slush, sleet and snow
on the L.I.E., I felt great about every shot I gave my windshield. Cheap
at twice the price.
Ron
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From: quattro@rogerswave.ca
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:43:29 +0000
Subject: Re: Ur-quattro question.
> >my second dream will come true very soon.
> What's the first dream?
Porsche 911
> Avi Meron
> 86 5Kcstq
>
>
Martin Pajak
quattro@rogerswave.ca
1982 Coupe (434,000 km)
1984 4000s quattro (320,000 km under the wrench)
1970 Porsche 911E Targa (also under the wrench)
Who put my tools in the dishwasher?
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From: ATTDCS!TMBWPO1!sjagernaut@dcstm1.attmail.com (Stephen Jagernauth)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:46:00 +0000
Subject: Making Audi A Player
Mark Nelson <mnelson@brls.com> wrote on Thu, 16 Jan 1997 08:11:24 -0800:
<snip>
>To jump ahead in time, the Piech family who owns VW bought Porsche in
>the mid/late seventies and they were really the ones that helped Porsche
Dr. Ferdinand Piech is the son of Louise Piech, Ferry Porsche's sister, and
that makes his grandfather
the original Dr. Ferdinand Porsche so the family ties are there. Piech
worked at Porsche in the '60s and avidly supported racing as the way of
improving the breed. One of his accomplishments is his design of the
original 2.0L 911 6cyl boxer. Never heard of VW owning Porsche. Porsche
has always been
family-owned.
>be successful during the seventies and early eighties, until the Porsche
>family bought back Porsche in the late '80's.
1/3 of Porsche's stock is publicly traded. The rest is owned by the
Porsche/Piech families.
>The Porsche Horizontally
>opposed 4-cylinder (used in the 356, 912, 914, 924) is very similar to
>he 4-cylinder that was put in the VW beetle. Many of the components
>used between VW and Porsche were common to both cars.
The 356 used a VW aircooled engine, the 912 the same motor as the 356SC.
The 914 used a VW Type IV engine. The 924 had a VW-designed block with
Porsche-designed head and built by Audi and is an inline 4cyl. It was
basically the same engine used in the Audi 100 and VW van in the 70s. The
914 was a joint venture between VW and Porsche and was marketed in Europe as
a VW and in the US as a Porsche.
>There has been a lot of development that each company shares, and Audi
>actually was the one to help Porsche most recently in the development of
>the 959 drivetrain, Carrera 4 drivetrain, and the '96 + turbo
>drivetrain. VW was actually the company that built the Porsche 924 and
>944 for Porsche.
This is absurd! VW was not involved at all and Audi's involvement was
limited to assembling the PORSCHE-DESIGNED 924/944 in their Neckarsulm
assembly plant. The various drivetrains used in the AWD Porsches are very
different from Audi's Quattro system and were designed in-house at Weissach.
I have an article written by the chief Porsche designer for their 959/C4.
Audis awd have a fwd-bias, Porsches have a rwd-bias, in terms of
torque-split front-to-rear.
Hope this clears up some confusion.
Regards,
Steve Jagernauth ----------> sjagernauth@attmail.com
Audi 5k X 3 and 1 Porsche,
2 ex-Porsches, 2 ex-VWs
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From: "Jeff Wolf" <jeffwolf@cdc.net>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:40:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Audi recommendation wanted
I have an 89 100 automatic (With 120k mi) and my Mother drives a 91 100
with the automatic. Perhaps it is because I am used to the 3 speed, but I
think the four-speed gearing is horrible. Acceleration just seems sloooow
IMHO.
I would definitely try and drive both before making a decision.
Jeff
- ----------
> From: Alexei M Voloshin <Alexei.M.Voloshin-1@tc.umn.edu>
> To: Andreas Meyer <meyer@hpanix.an.hp.com>
> Cc: quattro@coimbra.ans.net
> Subject: Re: Audi recommendation wanted
> Date: Friday, January 17, 1997 1:02 PM
>
>
> I have a 91 100 4-speed. I test drove an 89 3-speed and it was much
> slower and unresponsive. The 4-speed is really a magnificent tranny. It
> responds much like a stick. Put it into sports mode and it down shifts
> just like that. Comparing the 100 5-speed manual and the 4-speed auto
there
> is not much diffrence. the 4-speed is also a lot more durable since it
> the next generation from the three speed. I have 85k on the car and the
> tranny is in brand new condition.
>
> Go with the 91.
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Andreas Meyer wrote:
>
> >
> > Ok, I am in the market for an Audi for my wife. The only
> > problem is that she refuses to drive with a stick and
> > insists on a slushbox. The model and years that I am
> > thinking of are the 89, 90, and 91 Audi 100. I know that
> > in 91 Audi went to the 4 speed automatic and in 89, 90
> > they used the 3 speed. The question I have is how reliable
> > are those trannies. I looked through the archive and saw
> > some of the same horror stories that I heard of before,
> > i.e. Audi slushboxes don't seem to last very long and are
> > VERY expensive to fix. There was one person who wrote that
> > it cost $5000 to replace the tranny (covered by warranty).
> > Stories like that certainly make me think twice about
> > that car and tranny combination. What experiences do other
> > people out there have and how much can I expect to spend
> > on having the tranny rebuilt in case it does go south?
> > Also which one is better, more reliable, cheaper to fix:
> > the 3 speed or the 4 speed?
> >
> > Thanks for any info you may be able to provide,
> >
> > Andreas Meyer
> > former Audi 5000 CSQT owner and wannabe again
> >
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From: ejfluhr@austin.ibm.com (Fluhr)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:11:14 -0600
Subject: Re: AWD performance
Geez, talk about a discussion! How about this for a test:
Take an '85-'86 stock Coupe GT and an '85 -'86 stock 4000Q on the track,
same tires, etc. You can add some weight to the GT to bring it to the
same amount as the 4000 quattro.
Now, clock the same driver in both cars around a track, in the dry.
If AWD gives a significant performance advantage, the 4000q should have
consistently better lap times, no?
This isn't a totally accurate comparison, as the two cars have different
rear suspensions, but it is probably as close as we can get. If the 4000q
does get better lap times, I would say that AWD corners better (since
the cars have nearly identical hp ratings).
Later,
Eric
'85 Coupe GT
- ---
Eric J. Fluhr Email: ejfluhr@austin.ibm.com
630FP Logic/Circuit Design Phone: (512) 838-7589
IBM Microelectronics Div. Austin, TX
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From: "Sheffield Corey" <SHEF@omdc.gso.uri.edu>
Date: 17 Jan 97 19:59:00 EST
Subject: Re: Tire Wear (Now alignment)
>> > > Alignment for a Q is ~60 -100 $ (that is US dollars)
>>
>> My independent gets about $120 (~2 hrs). The dealer quoted
>> me over $200 for a 4 wheel alignment, says it's because
>> the rears are so hard to do - front only, $79.
>
>My 87 4kq had some rear suspension components changed last Summer. I was
>told that it then needed a 4 wheel alignment.
>
>Local tire shop did it. I think the charge was $75(US $$$).
FWIW,it sets me back about $90 for a 4 wheel alignment here in Rhoda Rico(RI).
Shef
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From: Mann Law <mannlaw@indy.net>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 19:46:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Just like home [with a smile:)]
Steve you may be right. It is just that, well, what I do
everyday has taught me that things are never, ever, as they first
appear. And, I really don't like to watch knife fights. Nobody walks
away a winner.
Bruce---putting his nose back where it belongs
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From: Achille Riviello <acriviel@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 97 18:45 CST
Subject: 2nd try...??? 2.8 V6 Turbo????
OK--nothing on the first try--let's try again....
Just a quick question: is it possible to retrofit a turbo to the 2.8 V6 in
an A4?
Achille Riviello
acriviel@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu
83 4000s 4E, 200k+ miles,
96 A4Q, 3208 miles
HK USP 45
HK P7M13
"In a world of compromise, some don't."--HK
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From: "George S Achorn III" <coolidge@nicom.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 20:15:36 -0500
Subject: Coupe GT/Corrado Foglight Compatibility
E. Renneisen wrote:
>Along the same lines, since I can't find a used replacement for the
cracked
>front bumper cover/spoiler on my Coupe, I was wondering about using the
>front pieces from a Corrado. As a bonus, this would move the turn sigs to
the
>bumper... just the thing for those euro H1/H4. (Maybe not _ideal_
lighting,
>but its got to be better!)
>Anybody know of a Corrado they could compare side-to-side with a Coupe?
I have a Corrado. I think you'll have two problems. The outside turnsignal
edge is slanted. As it moves down it goes towards the center of the car.
Also the VR6's foglights tend to crack if used in cold weather. This is not
the rule as mine are not yet cracked, but it is a common problem. If you do
it, take em from a G60 Corrado. The turnsignals are orange, but you can
order clear euro ones. Also I think the Corrado's bumper fronts are slanted
more than the Coupe GT. It'd be a tough mod.
I'm pretty sure the Coupe's lights are taller top to bottom anyway.
The corrado's go are shaped like this. The slant is on the outside of the
car. This is a diagram of the passnger side assembly from the front.
_________________________________________
/ l l
\ turnsignal l l
\ w/o parking l foglight l
\ lights l l
\__________________l____________________l
Later - George
'94 Jetta GLX '93 Corrado SLC
Black/Black Clothe Dark Green/Tan Leather
VW CD Changer VW CD Changer
Keyless Entry Keyless Entry
Euro Center Console North First Aid Kit
Passat Cupholder Passat Cupholder
Fisher C-box K&N Filtercharger
Yokohoma A509s Yokohoma A509s
Euro Center Console Brushed Silver SLC tag
Passat Console Insert Brushed Silver VR6 tag
Doorbin Inserts 475mm Rear Wiper (18")
A3 Molded Splashguards A3 Molded Splashguards
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From: "Graydon D. Stuckey" <graydon@apollo.gmi.edu>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 20:11:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 2nd try...??? 2.8 V6 Turbo????
On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Achille Riviello wrote:
> Just a quick question: is it possible to retrofit a turbo to the 2.8 V6 in
> an A4?
Sure, anything is possible. Adding turbo(s) to an A4 would be a
reasonably straightforward project for a shop that knows their
turbos/electronics/etc very well. It would be an expensive project -
probably much more expensive than what Audi would charge were they to
perform the same sort of project from the factory. However, Audi
probably would not do the transformation quiet as wildly as you or I
might. :-)
Later, ----------------------------------------------------------
Graydon D. Stuckey '85 Mazda RX7 GS, no toys
graydon@apollo.gmi.edu '86 Audi 5000 CS Turbo Quattro, has toys
Flint, Michigan USA '89 Thunderbird SC, lotsa toys
------------------------------
From: "George S Achorn III" <coolidge@nicom.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 20:52:47 -0500
Subject: 1.8 20V Partsbin Improvement
I was reading a preview article on the '98 Passat (based on the Audi
platform). For UK spec it will come with a non turbo 1.8. Different from
the Audi 1.8 and 1.8T it has variable induction for a broader torque curve,
but no increase in hp.
Would it be worth installing....probably not, but it's an interesting
tidbit of knowlege.
Later-G
------------------------------
From: kappa@travelin.com
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:51:43 -0800
Subject: 4kq & tqc heater core procedure
>Audi'tes,
>My 4KCSQ is having some heater problems. I've had the car
>about one month now and the heat has always been a little
>anemic. Now it's colder in the east, and I want to fix it.
>A new heater core is cheap, but what's involved it getting
>to it. I'm Bentley-less for a little while longer, but my
>feet are freezing. Any help would be appreciated.
>Regards, Jeffrey Smethers
>smethers@fast.net
>'84 318i
>'86 4000CS Quattro
The job isn't horrible, took me a few hours in a warm shop.
Kinda annoying if your AC works and you want to keep it.
Only a little less so otherwise. Basically, the song and
dance goes like this:
1) remove glovebox
2) remove four screws holding airbox cover from plenum area
(HAVE A NEW GASKET or that gasket putty material!)
3) evacuate a charged AC system (you might be able to avoid
this step if you can move the evaporator and get enough
clearance to R/R heater core)
4) remove remaining two screws holding evaporator to plenum
area. See how much clearance you can get in regards to
where the heater core will have to slide out. If you
can't get enough room, seperate the two AC lines and move
evaporator aside. Be careful/avoid damaging the probe
that is inserted into the evaporator.
5) Clamp the coolant feed/return lines in the engine bay.
Consider replacing the heater valve at this time as well.
They are cheap and known to break occassionally. This is
also the easiest time to replace the heater core coolant
hoses... just a thought.
6) Seperate the coolant lines from the heater core. Be
prepared to mop up the coolant that WILL spill out. You
may want to have several rags underneath/around the core
when you seperate it.
7) And of course, installation is the reverse of removal ;^)
Replace the gasket on the airbox cover to prevent cabin
leaks. And if you plan on removing your AC, get a new
grommet to replace the one the AC lines pass through at
the firewall. Otherwise, connect and recharge your AC.
See, it's so easy, there isn't even a 12 step program for
heater core swaps...
- -Stott Hare
'84 4Ksq (black _& blue_, have turbo, waiting to install)
Biddeford, Maine
Work: where you can find me far to often
harest@allenbrook.iix.com
On the road: where I'd rather be...
kappa@travelin.com
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